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[RFI] FCC Limits on Harmful Interference: Clarification

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Subject: [RFI] FCC Limits on Harmful Interference: Clarification
From: Tony <dxdx@optonline.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 20:49:46 -0500
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All:

I made the mistake of hitting send without editing so I apologize for my previous post on radiated emission limits. As Ed Hare mentioned numerous times, there are no FCC limits on radiated emissions below 30 MHz.

What I meant to say was this:

Ed mentioned that the FCC had taken action based on harmful interference and I assumed it was based solely on the definition of interference and not how it was generated i.e, radiated or conducted. Hence, I asked how the FCC measures harmful interference.

This seems logical because the term harmful interference would be meaningless if the FCC only deems it as such if it's conducted and not radiated -- it's either harmful or it's not.

Or am I missing something?

Tony -K2MO


Actually, the  FCC really hasn't given up on  HF.  What I have said is that 
there are no radiated emissions limits for unintentional emitters below 30 MHz. 
(There are conducted limits onto the AC mains.)  But the FCC has sent out many 
dozens of  advisory letters to operators of various devices on the basis of 
harmful interference.  Now, they will set a higher threshold for  harmful 
interference than we like, but the  can and do take some (limited) action.  
ARRL has worked hard to keep this alive in the FCC, and  so far, it has held.

The solar  panels  are unique. Their conducted emissions limits apply ONLY the 
ac mains, not other wires, so many of these  systems that can and do cause 
interference do actually meet the laws about radiated and conducted limits. 
Solar Edge may be a bit slow, but they  are responding and  ARRL maintains 
regular contact with them. We have a  few unresolved cases and we are planning 
a field trip  to go take a  look at  them in person, hopefully with Solar Edge  
and Telsa also present.

Ed





, just CONDUCTED emissions, and that is only on the side that attaches to the power lines.
So say the panels, optimizers etc are radiating like mad, but the side of the 
inverter that hooks to the mains is clean. They meet part 15.

Hence the problem

--
73 de KG2V
Charlie

On Dec 28, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Tony <dxdx@optonline.net> wrote:

On 12/22/2019 6:19 PM, Hare, Ed W1RFI wrote:
the FCC has sent out many dozens of  advisory letters to operators of various 
devices on the basis of harmful interference.
Does anyone know what the FCC limits are on harmful interference caused by 
radiated emissions with regard to HF and the amateur radio service? Is the 
noise measured at the receiving station or is it  measured at some specified 
distance from the offending device?

It would be interesting to know if the same FCC standards apply to commercial 
and aviation services.

Tony -K2MO

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