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Re: Topband: 160m portable operating

To: steve d <>
Subject: Re: Topband: 160m portable operating
From: Jon Zaimes AA1K <>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:05:38 -0400
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Hi Steve,

Sounds like you have some nice room to play with ...

steve d wrote:
>  How many  radials  should I put out? 

A dozen will get you started, 30 is good, 60 is 95 percent of optimum, 
and 120 is the broadcast-industry "standard." 200 just gets you bragging 
rights and costs a lot of copper (but I've done it).
>   Heres where I am with the rx antenna idea: There is space for  beverages, 
> and there should be plenty of time to set everything up. I  would like to 
> center the feedpoint, 
It helps to get a copy of the survey for the property -- many 
governments now have these online, or the property owner may have one 
from when it was purchased. Then you can plot out the location of 
Beverages and the transmit antenna before you begin.
>   Another issue is the location of the transmitting antenna vs. the  location 
> of the beverages. As the idea stands, the transmitting antenna  is going to 
> be in between the beverages.
It's nice to have a half wave or more separation between TX and RX 
antennas to avoid coupling of noise, but if you must go closer to get a 
Beverage in the right direction, so be it. I have several Beverages as 
close as 10-20 feet to towers in some cases. There's noise pickup, but  
they hear better than a Bev. in the wrong direction or a shorter one 
placed elsewhere. You can also de-tune the TX antenna on RX to avoid 
>   What length should I be consitering for a decent beverage? 500-800'?  How 
> about grounding them? I know I need a ground rod at each end and a  
> terminating resistor at the far end. What is the best way to go about  
> figuring out the termination resistance? Can I use some kind of pot to  be 
> able to adjust it, or should I figure out what the resistance should  be and 
> put resistors in?
You can use a pot and adjust for best f/b, though I've never gotten 
around to doing that with mine. The value may change through the year as 
ground conductivity changes -- I know one ham who said he had to 
re-adjust for different seasons. Most of mine are around 550 ohms and 
seem to work OK. Height above ground will affect this value (mine are 
generally around 10 ft). Check the reflector archives, ON4UN's Low Band 
DXing book, and for more info on this.
>   The next question is how many should I lay out? If the beamwidth is  10deg 
> (I think thats what they are, around there) then, to get all  directions I 
> would need 36. 
It would have to be a very long Beverage to be that narrow a beamwidth. 
For 500-800 ft single wires, more like 50 degrees if I recall. I would 
start with Europe (45 degrees from here), Caribbean/South America (162) 
and due west for VK/ZL/JA. Later add NW for JA. Then anytime a rare one 
is due to come up and you don't have one in that direction, add one. (I 
now have about 20, most phased pairs). An old rule I follow: Better to 
have a short Beverage in the right direction rather than any Beverage in 
the wrong direction.

>   Steve, KC8QVO
73/Jon AA1K
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