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[Towertalk] Hit water digging hole - advice?

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Subject: [Towertalk] Hit water digging hole - advice?
From: k4oj@tampabay.rr.com (Jim White)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:06:51 -0400
As the concrete is going in I always continuously stab the pour with a round
point shovel - just to make sure there are no voids created...

I really doubt you need worry about pumping the water - the concrete WILL
displace it - "been there done that" - the displaced water however needs to
be guided to wherever you want it guided to - or - the alternative is to
pump it to where you want it to end up....fortunately the few pours I have
had water in the hole were in locations near a suitable dumping ground for
the overflowing water and a trench was simply dug to aid in pointing it in
the right direction...

K4OJ







----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Wagner" <tfwagner@snet.net>
To: "Jim White" <k4oj@tampabay.rr.com>; "David" <k4zzr@bellsouth.net>;
<towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Towertalk] Hit water digging hole - advice?


> I'm sure the driver of the concrete truck will have seen
> this before. Offer him some money to help you pour, and
> you'll get his advice for free.
>
> My guess is that Jim is right, but I'd think about pumping
> the water out after you have put a foot or two of the
> concrete in.  You'll want to punch down the concrete to
> get the air out long before the hole is full.  Have you ever
> pushed a 2x4 through 6' of concrete?
>
> Just make sure you have a pump on hand that can clear
> the hole in 5 min or so.  Then you have options.
>
> 73 & gl,
>
> Tom Wagner - N1MM
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim White" <k4oj@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "David" <k4zzr@bellsouth.net>; <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 09:36
> Subject: Re: [Towertalk] Hit water digging hole - advice?
>
>
> > I would leave it alone....sounds like it is slightly oversized
> already....as
> > far as aesthetics goes - be prepared to form a "top" where the slab
> extends
> > above the ground....I would not pump any standing water out - I would
let
> > the concrete displace the water - be prepared for the "run off" as it is
> > kicked out of the hole by the concrete.
> >
> > 73, GL
> >
> > Jim, K4OJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David" <k4zzr@bellsouth.net>
> > To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:03 AM
> > Subject: [Towertalk] Hit water digging hole - advice?
> >
> >
> > > We dug the 5'x5'x6'  hole for the tower Saturday and have the concrete
> > truck
> > > coming Monday morning.  QTH is south Florida, soil is a dark loamy
> > > consistency with plenty of sand content.  The sides seem to be holding
> up
> > > and the moment .  We didn't notice that we had hit the water table
until
> > we
> > > were almost 6' down because it was just a trickle.  I checked the hole
> > this
> > > morning and I've got a full foot of water in the bottom now.   I'm
> worried
> > > the sides might start caving in between now and tomorrow.   I figured
I
> > > would pump out the water when the concrete truck gets here, but now I
> > wonder
> > > if I should try to keep pumping it out between now and Monday or just
> > wait.
> > > One thought is that if I pump out the water now, the spot water the
> water
> > is
> > > coming in might eat away at the sandy soil even more as it refills the
> > hole,
> > > the other thought is that I should pump it out now so it doesn't
soften
> > the
> > > four sides and cause them to fall in.   Obviously, any QUICK thoughts
or
> > > suggestions would be most welcome.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > David, K4ZZR
> > >
> > >
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