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Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Top Bearing Plate for 55G vs Rotor

To: Don <w7wll@arrl.net>, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Top Bearing Plate for 55G vs Rotor Plate
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:41:10 -0700
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Don,

Actually, the UHMW bearing design I am using will take axial as well as radial loads. A 6061 collar is SS 1/2-13 set screwed on the mast & backs a 5" diameter 1/4" thick 6061 plate fastened to it with FHMS. The UHMW takes the radial loads and the top of the UHMW is the axial (true) thrust bearing against the 6061 plate. Not my invention, Brad K7ZSD used this for his 4 side mount 3"x 20' masts as well as the top internally mounted rotator/mast. He used white 3" UHMW which showed some crazing and virtually no wear after 7 years, so my upgrade is to black 4" UHMW. I'm using 6" square blocks which makes the boring and mounting bolt design easy. UHMW plate is far cheaper than rod.

Grant KZ1W


On 8/12/2014 10:15 AM, Don wrote:
THAT is a good idea, the UHMW bored block. Zerk fittings and the plain old typical steel inlanders use go quickly here. Living on the OR coast next to the ocean you learn quickly that putting antennas together and mounting them requires 'different' approaches to keeping them in a low maintenance mode.

I also use the Lear compound, CorrosionBlock, on anything that turns, slides, screws or moves. Won't wash out and has no metals, RF neutral. Put onto this by the fleet folks up in Newport who apply it to all their electrical connections, AC, DC and RF. I've easily taken elements apart where the salt spray has literally 'grown' on the element exterior. It is lightly colored so it is easy to see where you are putting it. See http://www.learchem.com/userfiles/Industrial%20Strength%20Protection.pdf for some information.

Don W7WLL

-----Original Message----- From: Grant Saviers
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:52 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com ; rthorne@rthorne.net
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: Top Bearing Plate for 55G vs Rotor Plate

I agree with Steve that a middle bearing is not a good idea as aligning
3 bearings is very difficult and a middle bearing serves no purpose at
rotator rpms.

However, a middle support plate with a removable u-bolt or clamp, that
can constrain the mast when you want to raise it to remove the rotator
for service is a big help.  Then the mast stays in column and doesn't
overload/twist the top bearing.

I also dislike the commercial "thrust" bearings.  A block of black UHMW
3" thick bored for the mast od will never need servicing.  Or stack up
some HDPE kitchen cutting boards bored to fit, but they will need a coat
of paint to protect them from UV.  A rotator sized for a 4L full size
40m beam bearings can easily handle a 500lb thrust load.  btw, my 40m 3L
full size OWA weighs 350# plus 150# for the 3" x 0.25" wall alloy mast
(a must for that size antenna).

Grant KZ1W


On 8/12/2014 8:04 AM, K7LXC--- via TowerTalk wrote:
  I'm working on getting the parts together for a Rohn 55g  tower.
?  The Rohn 55g Bearing plate sure is expensive.  I see  two other
possibilities.

  1 - Use the less expensive beacon plate and drill a hole for the
mast/bearing.
  2 - Use a rotor  plate for the same purpose.

I plan on having a top bearing, an intermediate bearing then the rotor.
  I have no idea what the thickness of the Rohn bearing  plate is as
compared to a beacon or rotor plate. I'm hoping to put up a full size 4
element 40m beam some day, so the system will need to handle a good
300+lbs.


Hiya, Rich --
  The beacon plate is FB if you don't mind  drilling it.
  As for an intermediate bearing, I'd  discourage it. The plates are not
precision items and you'll just introduce bind into the system. Since all you're trying to do is capture the mast, put the rotator plate in the middle
and skip the bearing - cheaper too. And the upper TB  carries all the
weight anyway so a middle bearing doesn't provide any structural  help.
  Cheers & GL,
Steve     K7LXC
TOWER TECH

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