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Re: [TowerTalk] 80 meter vertical

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 80 meter vertical
From: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:20:39 -0800
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On 1/19/19 6:58 PM, john@kk9a.com wrote:
That is a great question, I have wondered this many times when operating on
the sloping terrain in VP2V and KP2. To my knowledge there is no modeling
software that will show a vertical's pattern on a hill.

No readily available amateur radio software..I'm sure that there are codes out there.. Maybe HFSS could do it, but I'm not sure it's well suited to this.

If it is a "uniformly sloping hill", you could put a vertical that slopes at the hill angle into NEC and model with flat earth. - then rotate the pattern you calculated.


But once you get away from that, it's trickier. You can do a fairly straightforward raytrace for H pol, the reflection coefficient varies smoothly and is generally large, and the usual assumption is that the soil surface is parallel to the polarization. V pol reflection coefficient varies a lot, and you need to deal with things like diffraction.




John KK9A

Tom Osborne w7why wrote:
Hi All

I have tried putting  up an 80 meter vertical 3 or 4 times.  No matter what
I do, it is never better than my twinlead fed 80 meter dipole up about 65
feet.. This is both on close in stuff and longer range propagation.

I tried it with the radials on the ground, with the feed point elevated
about 6 - 8 feet with 4 raised radials, and about every combination I can
think of.

I was wondering if living on the side of a 450 foot hill makes a
difference?  The hill slopes down to the bay below my house.

I have a 20 meter HB beam up about 25 feet.  f I walk to the east about 25
feet, and look back, the 20 meter antenna looks like it is about 60 feet
up.  Goes higher as I walk farther east down the hill.

Do verticals work poorly on the side of a hill, or does it make any
difference at all??  Thanks and 73

*Tom W7WHY*

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