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Re: [Amps] Clipperton-L parasitic suppressors

To: "Amps" <amps@contesting.com>, "Alek Petkovic" <vk6apk@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Clipperton-L parasitic suppressors
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:52:38 -0500
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 Lots of things work Alek, there are enough poorly designed amps on the 
market that prove that.

I prefer to attack the problem; and not the symptom and lose a few hundred 
watts on 10M to heat.

It also goes back to basics. Why do only a handful of untrained ham 
hobbiests  fall for the voodo while engineers from all corners of the planet 
condemn it??  What commercial amp uses voodo suppressors? What tube 
manufacturer champions them?

Measures was banned from this reflector for his stand and obvious completely 
wrong theories.

Im not going to get in a long winded discourse on this, the feelings on here 
run deep and Ive no desire to start it anew. Anything you might want is in 
the archives going back to the 90's when I first joined. You will find a 
long list of respected engineers represented.

Carl
KM1H


> At 06:57 AM 13/03/2010, Carl wrote:
>>No offense Alek but the masses on here dont believe in voodo science as 
>>they
>>do on the forum you just arrived from. You might want to search the 
>>archives
>>on the subject.
>
> Ha ha. No offense taken Carl. You won't offend me in a hurry. Number 1, 
> I'm married. Number 2, I live by the principle that if you strike a match, 
> then don't cry to mummy (you say mommy) that the fire is too hot. I lit 
> the match so I gotta take the flame.
>
> You are probably right about voodoo science but all that is quite 
> irrelevant to me, because I know from my own experience, that they do 
> actually work. I'm satisfied with that.
>
>>Larry, for a real suppressor that works get a Xicon 50 Ohm 5W MOX resistor
>>and a pair of 100pf 500V silver micas for each suppressor from Mouser.
>>
>>Lay a resistor and the original (or a clone) in parallel. Connect a cap
>>between them at both ends. Wire it dead bug or on perf board.
>
> You said a pair of SM caps for each suppressor. Do you put the 2 caps in 
> series to give you 50pF @ 1kV and then put that in parallel with the coil 
> and resistor?
>
> If so, then I am interested enough to try it out on my Clipperton L which 
> is also being done up. I just got a Ameritron plate choke in the mail this 
> week so I'll be installing that next weekend, along with the .01uF at the 
> base. I have a bundle of 50 Ohm, 5W MOF resistors and 100pF SM caps, so I 
> will do up the suppressors as well.
>
> Cheers, Alek
> VK6APK
>
>
>>Carl
>>KM1H
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Alek Petkovic" <vk6apk@bigpond.com>
>>To: "Larry" <w6nws@arrl.net>; "Amps" <amps@contesting.com>
>>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:57 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Amps] Clipperton-L parasitic suppressors
>>
>>
>> > G'day Larry,
>> >
>> > At the risk of offending the masses, don't worry what value they are.
>> > Just go to http://www.somis.org  and scroll down to
>> > <http://www.somis.org/Price-Info.html>Price List--Information Sheet
>> > and order yourself a kit for 4x572B. Much simpler and much better.
>> >
>> > If you still wanna know the value of the original, they are as you
>> > said. In the circuit they are R6 and R7 and the parts list quotes
>> > them as being 100 Ohm, 2 Watts.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Alek
>> > VK6APK
>> >
>> > At 05:33 AM 13/03/2010, Larry wrote:
>> >>I have cleverly filed my Clipperton-L doc. I am hoping someone can
>> >>help. The parasitic
>> >>suppressor resistors have broken. I believe they are 100 ohm 2W
>> >>composition. Can
>> >>anyone confirm the value? I am not sure what caused the breakage at
>> >>this point.
>> >>
>> >>73, Larry  W6NWS
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