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Re: [Amps] Expert Amps 2K-FA: Any Opinions ?

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Expert Amps 2K-FA: Any Opinions ?
From: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:13:58 -0400
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Joe,

Do you detect obvious output power change with changes in PA temperature? 
I see about a 10% reduction with the 1K, approaching 15% when the PA deck 
starts getting really heat stressed.  While operating in CW mode at 1500W, 
does the amp ever kick to the MID power setting?

Paul, W9AC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Giacobello, K2XX" <k2xx@swva.net>
To: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>
Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Expert Amps 2K-FA: Any Opinions ?


> I've owned the 2K-FA since about the first week of 2012.  So far, I'm 
> quite happy with it. It replaced a TenTec Titan 425 and a Command 
> VHF-1200.  I was getting ready to contribute a write-up on it for the 
> Contesting.com site, but I wanted to evaluate it for a few more weeks 
> before doing so.  Here are some initial assessments.
>
> 1.
>
>    It easily puts out 1500W on all bands from 6-160M with about 30W
>    drive.  I have seen the output power go as high as 2,200W out on
>    some bands when running it in MAX power mode and allowing the ALC to
>    limit the drive.  With 1500W out, you're limited to about 15 seconds
>    or so key down and then it automatically switches to MID power
>    mode.  (Power was measured with a fairly recently calibrated LP-100A.)
>
> 2.
>
>    Utilizing the ALC and maximum exciter drive (200W), as recommended
>    by the manufacturer, in MID power mode, it puts out about 1,100W. The 
> ALC action throttles the drive to about 40W.  Presumably, the
>    key down time under these conditions is quite long, since MID power
>    is recommended for RTTY by the manufacturer.
>
> 3.
>
>    The amp is set up for connections to two different exciters and band
>    switching can be accomplished automatically through parallel
>    connections to the exciters' serial ports or via the amps internal
>    frequency counter.  The manufacturer recommends using serial port
>    switching rather than relying on the frequency counter.  Having all
>    switching done internally in the amp has really simplified and
>    reduced the number of coax links and external manual switches in the
>    shack.  I think the exciters will also switch automatically with
>    applied RF, but I've never tried it.
>
> 4.
>
>    The amp has a port for connection to a Steppir control box for
>    automatic band selection on their antennas.  I haven't hooked this
>    up yet.
>
> 5.
>
>    I have run 200W through the amp in standby mode without any
>    problems.  However, because of the internal switching, the exciters
>    are not connected to an antenna unless the amp is turned on.
>
> 6.
>
>    In contrast to its predecessor, the 1K-FA, fan noise is barely
>    noticeable.
>
> 7.
>
>    The internal tuner seems to work as advertised, but I never use it
>    since I have all resonant antennas or an external Matchbox.
>
> 8.
>
>    The only serious problem I've had is that one of the six antenna
>    ports doesn't work at all.  The domestic distributor (Expert Amps
>    USA) offered to fix it on the spot if I brought it with me to the
>    Orlando Hamcation.  But since I could live without one of the ports,
>    I decided not to bother.  In talking there with the owner and
>    designer, Gianfranco I0JY, he thought it might be a relay.  (It also
>    might be a cable problem, but I haven't gotten in there to check.)
>
> 9.
>
>    I don't operate RTTY or contests (seriously), so I've never seen the
>    internal temperature exceed 50C.  I believe that the amp shuts down
>    if the temperature gets to 76C.
>
> 10.
>
>    One problem that I have is that there is no service manual. Apparently, 
> the manufacturer is concerned about protecting his
>    design.  (OTOH, it seems to me that it could be easily reverse
>    engineered.)  Nevertheless, the service guru is a W5 who shows up on
>    the reflector to answers questions, etc.
>
> I'm not sure that I understand Joe's (W4TV) comments regarding the antenna 
> issues when operating SO2R, but that's probably because I don't work 
> contests.
>
> The bottom line is that with the exception of the antenna port problem, 
> the unit has worked flawlessly so far.
>
> 73, Joe
> K2XX
>
>
> On 4/25/2012 9:57 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>>> I would also be concerned about cooling (and noise) with that much
>> dissipation in such a small box.
>>
>> I have the 1K version of the SPE amp.  Nice, compact and reliable design.
>> If the League's QST product review is to believed, IMD performance is
>> excellent for a solid-state design.
>>
>> No contesting here but when using CW in say....a 2-3 minute exchange, the 
>> PA
>> deck becomes quite hot and the fans are running "full tilt," resulting in
>> what sounds like a jet engine.  That, together with output power that
>> changes with PA deck temperature seems to be problematic with most
>> commercial solid-state amps.  SPE does use a very well designed 
>> protection
>> system.  In effect, a high-speed bus is created to kill bias to the PA
>> transistors when one of about a half-dozen faults occur.
>>
>> I like the amp for its instant-on, compact design, but I would never use 
>> it
>> as a replacement for a good VT amp.  I saw the 2K amp recently at the
>> Orlando hamfest and for folks wanting a solid-state amp, I think it's 
>> worth
>> considering.  But if noise in the shack is bothersome issue, ask other
>> owners about noise level with varying duty-cycle at full output power.
>>
>> I believe the 2K version has a vacuum relay option that adds several 
>> hundred
>> dollars to the purchase price.  In my 1K, its T/R frame relays were way 
>> too
>> loud.  I ended up modifying the amp's logic for use with an Ameritron 
>> QSK-5.
>> The interface between the two units is optically isolated and a schematic 
>> is
>> shown on my QRZ.com page.  Much happier with this arrangement as it's 
>> fast,
>> silent, and no truncation of keyed elements.
>>
>> Paul, W9AC
>>
>>
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