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Re: [CQ-Contest] Live Audio - K5ZD for CQ WW CW

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Live Audio - K5ZD for CQ WW CW
From: "Randy Thompson" <k5zd@charter.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:58:25 -0000
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How is audio streaming soliciting contacts? There is no request for people
to listen or work me.  I am not giving out frequency.  

It is a cool use of technology.  

By the way, I will be posting my score to the getscores.org scoreboard this
weekend too.  
If the CQWW Committee rules that it is against the rules, then I will stop
doing both. 

And Yuri, enjoy the contest!


Randy, K5ZD

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> k3bu@optonline.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:44 PM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Live Audio - K5ZD for CQ WW CW
> 
> 
> Randy K5ZD wrote:
> 
> > The non-amateur means rule applies only during the contest. You can 
> > take out network TV adverts before the contest announcing your 
> > operation if you want.
> > 
> 
> Streaming audio or video IS DURING the contest and soliciting 
> stations to "work me" (and hear yourself - reward).
> Additional "advertising" is before the contest - making it 
> known "I will be on, streaming.
>  
> Why did CQ WW CC asked about the opinions about the real time 
> score board? That pales in comparison to "work me - you can 
> hear yourself" real time. We should get CQ WW CC ruling on 
> this, before everybody starts "screaming" live whatever. As 
> it stands now, it is a matter for disqualification according to rules:
> 
> >>The use by an entrant of any non-amateur means such as telephones, 
> >>telegrams,
> internet, or the use of packet to SOLICIT contacts during the 
> contest is unsportsmanlike and the entry is subject to 
> disqualification. Action and decisions of the CQ WW Contest 
> Committee are official and final.<<
> 
> 
>  
> > As for the motivation to work one station over another, 
> there are many 
> > elements of that. Some guys only work rare stations. Does 
> that make it 
> > unfair to be rare? Some guys only work their friends. Or 
> the loudest 
> > signals. Is it unfair to be well known or loud?
> > 
>  
> Motivation and solicitation by non-amateur means as outlined 
> in the rules are two, way different things.
>  
> > Randy, K5ZD
> > 
> 
> Call me Luddite or old fashioned, but trying to follow the 
> spirit and meaning of rules. 
> Rather than having streaming audio or video I would suggest 
> that having real logs published on the web (after the contest 
> log submission deadline) would be much better motivation and 
> education for little pistols and big guns. Another big plus - 
> deterrent to blatant cheaters by having logs available for 
> scrutiny by competition.
>  
> (OK, what is the REAL reason for streaming? Demonstrate how 
> wonderful (good looking) or magnificent operator one is? In 
> my book, any real life, anything, during the contest is 
> distraction to serious contesters. If one wants to lure 
> little pistols and bystanders, than I can see the benefit 
> (solicitation).
>  
> Just this OF opinion.
>  
>  Yuri, K3BU
>  
> Let's have a log deadline 7 days after the contest, 21 days 
> process the logs and post rough results and logs, another 14 
> days for corrections etc. and publish final results. That 
> would be progress and encouragement to participate. Now we 
> are streaming real time wannabe stars and waiting 9 months 
> for the birth of the results. Welcome to 21 century and computer age!
> 
>  
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