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Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R REMOTE CONTESTING

To: vo1he@rac.ca
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R REMOTE CONTESTING
From: Richard Thorne <rmthorne@suddenlink.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:36:24 -0500
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Paul:

I can't resist. 

I just checked my 2006 Nov. SS CW log, and you were in it!  Did you 
realize that you worked a remote station for a WTX multiplier?  And 
don't worry I worked another NL station for my sweep.

:-\

Rich - N5ZC



Paul J. Piercey wrote:
> I thought I was out....... but they pull me back in!!
>
>
> My thoughts on the subject are this.
>
> 1.    I like technology. I use it every day. I'm using it now to talk to
> you.
>
> 2.    The "radio apparatus" must be defined as per contests and general
> awards rules. For example, considering the 500m rule, does the thing you
> talk into or manipulate in your home in order to remotely control a distant
> station count as part of the station equipment? I think it should as the
> remote station is pretty well useless with out it unless.... see #3.
>
> 3.    The operator MUST (and I can't stress this enough) MUST be included
> in the definition of "station" or it all becomes moot. Otherwise is to
> concede that amateur radio equipment can be operated in a totally self
> reliant manner to the exclusion of the human operator. That is not to say
> that an operator has to be in the exact location of the transmitting
> equipment (see #4) but must be physically in control at all times. In other
> words... no robots. I think the contest sponsors dropped the ball big time
> on this one by not including the operator in the definition of "station".
> Must have been a good lobby group who pushed for that.
>
> 4.    There must be a definition of "relativity" when it comes to the
> distance one can use remote stations. I don't want to hamstring the guys who
> have restrictions place on them for the setting up of in-home stations but
> there's a difference between the guy who has neighbours who dictate how he
> utilizes his own property and the guy who just wants to do it out of
> boredom. Setting up a station a few miles down the road, at least in the
> same "multiplier" area of the address on your licence, is fine. Setting up a
> station in Ulaan Baatar and operating it from sunny SoCal is not.
>
> I would like to see these contest sponsors define these things in a way that
> can leave no doubt as to what is meant. Perhaps I wish for too much.
>
> That's it.
>
>
> 73 -- Paul VO1HE  
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com 
>> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eric Hilding
>> Sent: March 27, 2007 02:28
>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Cc: nccc@contesting.com; w4tv@subich.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO2R REMOTE CONTESTING
>>
>> Joe, W4TV, posted a very interesting quite salient "little 
>> legal" question:
>>
>>     
>>> When one starts to split the transceiver (one part at the 
>>>       
>> remote site 
>>     
>>> another part at the control point) as is being proposed with the 
>>> TS-480 control heads how does that impact the rules that all 
>>> transmitters, receivers and antennas must be located within the 500 
>>> foot circle?
>>>       
>> Some remote control software options I've evaluated reside on 
>> the HOST (remote station QTH), and some on the CLIENT 
>> (operator point QTH) end. 
>>
>> I would say the Control Head is similar to a piece of remote 
>> control software (except that it has buttons and knobs on it 
>> :-)  The main (rig body) transmitter/receiver unit itself 
>> would be still within the overall "remote" station boundaries 
>> which I think is a 500 meter vs. 500 foot circle, and can 
>> actually be operated remotely *without* the Control Head in 
>> the food chain at all (and is not essential to 
>> "transmitting/receiving" if one chooses to use software 
>> control).  In fact, the return audio from the remote site 
>> will come via the computer and NOT the Control Head if the 
>> latter is used on the CLIENT end.
>>
>> However, "in an abundance of caution" I personally want to 
>> get a firm, iron-clad answer to this from the Contest Sponsors.
>>
>> Tnx for posting, Joe.
>>
>> 73...
>>
>> Rick, K6VVA
>>
>> P.S.  I can hardly wait to hear what Paul, VO1HE, will have 
>> to say about this (as you know, Paul, I have discovered via 
>> our recent emails, that you do have a sense of "humour" :-)
>>
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