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Re: [TowerTalk] Circuit Board Question

To: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Circuit Board Question
From: Tod <tod@k0to.us>
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:31:27 -0500
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>From my practical experience fabricating small matching networks empirically , 
>I would say Jim's analysis is right on the money. I think a lot of folks get 
>carried away and use "gigantic " components when reasonably large will do.

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> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/31/14, 11:19 PM, Matt wrote:
>> Could someone help me out with some advice.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How much separation between circuit board traces in an antenna switch box
>> would be recommended to reliably handle the voltage associated with legal
>> limit at 2:1 SWR?
> 
> You can start by looking at the underlying physics:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/paschen.htm
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/sphgap.htm
> 
> 
> A good rule of thumb is that the breakdown voltage across an insulator's 
> surface is 1/3 that of the breakdown in air. for uniform fields: 70kV/inch in 
> air. This is "sharp edge to sharp edge" and another rule of thumb says that 
> the needle gap distance is 3 times the "almost uniform" gap of big spheres.  
> So overall, I'd say a factor of 10.
> In air, uniform field, 0.014 inches/kV
> across the board, without coatings, maybe 0.140 inches/kV?
> 
> 
> Conformal coating (with no voids) greatly increases the breakdown voltage, 
> because you're not sparking across a surface. Now, you're looking at the 
> breakdown strength
> 
> I'm sure there's some "design rules for HV PWBs" out there..
> http://www.smps.us/pcbtracespacing.html
> gives a UL test of 40V/mil (this is about half the air gap breakdown for 
> uniform fields), and discusses various industrial standards..
> 
> http://www.smpspowersupply.com/ipc2221pcbclearance.html is a handy table
> 
> 
> 1.5 kW into 50 ohms is 273Vrms, or 383V peak.
> 5.4 Arms, or 7.67Apk (for current handling, though, rms is more appropriate)
> 2:1 VSWR is double that, or around 800Vpk (for breakdown), and 11 Arms (for 
> thermal limits)
> 
> So, by my "rule of thumb, physics based", I'd say about 0.112 inch spacing.
> 
> The above site gives spacings ranging from 0.1811" down to 0.0677" (for 800V) 
> depending on which rule system you use.
> For 500V, the graph shows 2.5mm (very close to 0.100") for IPC2221A which is 
> for uncoated PC boards.
> 
> http://www.smps.us/pcb-calculator.html  has a handy trace width calculator
> it gives widths ranging from 50 to 85 mils for 11 Amps..
> I'd be real careful, though.. at RF, skin effect is something worth 
> considering. At 30 MHz it's about 0.5 mil.  1 oz copper is 1.4 mils thick.  3 
> oz would be three times that, or 4.2 mil.  For 1 oz copper, then, the RF 
> current will fill the conductor, but for the thicker 3oz copper, at least at 
> the top of the HF bands, the current will be flowing mostly in the surface of 
> the conductor.  That said, the thicker copper will give a better thermal path.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Just tinned or conformal coating?
>> 
>> How wide would you recommend the trace to handle the same signal using 3oz
>> board stock - longest trace is about 2", most less than 1"?
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> KM5VI
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