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Re: [TowerTalk] Using old concrete in new pour

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Using old concrete in new pour
From: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:13:23 -0700
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On 10/23/14, 6:01 AM, Brian Amos wrote:
I would ask your friend where he got his civil engineering degree. I would
be interested to know. Bad, bad, bad idea, unless you know what you are
doing (he doesn't).

One doesn't need a degree to know that this is a bad idea. And not just because it violates the "do what the plans say" rule (aka LXC prime directive)

The education would allow you to do:
1) know *why* it's a bad idea
2) potentially turn a bad idea into a good idea, with some extra work (as you outlined later) 3) explain why one person doing it once might get lucky, but that doesn't mean you should do it. anecdote is not data.


As far as grinding and reusing, I drive by a freeway rebuild every day and they are grinding up the old concrete to make new roadbed and aggregate for the new concrete alongside the road. From a very, very casual inspection of the equipment (traffic doesn't move that fast sometimes, so you can watch the processing at your leisure), it looks like they're turning it into 1" or so gravel as well as a pile that is much finer. I was wondering whether this grinding, sifting, and grading process is actually making chunks of concrete, or more about reclaiming the original aggregate gravel, after removing the cement matrix around it.

In this particular case, I haven't seen them making the concrete from the piles (although I'm sure they do, I've seen it on other projects, other freeways), but a lot of what that huge pile of "gravel" is used for is the substrate underneath the new concrete, and I suspect that the requirements for that material may not be as stringent as for the aggregate going into the concrete for the actual road.
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