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Re: [Amps] Input SWR revisited

To: <donroden@hiwaay.net>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Input SWR revisited
From: "Gary Schafer" <garyschafer@largeriver.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:06:46 -0600
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Don,
You are confusing what I said by throwing in the 75 ohm line. Look again
what I wrote and remember that I said it was with all 50 ohm line.

73
Gary  K4FMX

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> donroden@hiwaay.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 4:08 PM
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Cc: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Input SWR revisited
> 
> Yes, and if I add another 1/4 wave of 75 ohm cable to the length, the
> transmitter is now looking into a 2:1  ( 100 ohm )  Load
> and will start folding back.
> 
> So saying :
> 
> > the SWR will always remain the same at the radio no matter what length
> >  of cable is used (except for cable loss) or what the load impedance
> is as
> > long as that load impedance remains the same.
> 
> doesn't stand the test of practical transmission line theory.
> 
> 
> Don W4DNR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting TexasRF@aol.com:
> 
> > Good question Don. You have to keep in mind that the 100 ohm load will
> make
> >  for a 1.333 swr in the 75 ohm coax. At a length of one quarter
> wavelength
> > the  100 ohm load impedance is transformed to 56 ohms, which is pretty
> close
> > to 50  ohms and looks like a low swr to the radio.
> >
> > But, the swr inside the 75 ohm coax is still 1.333 at all points along
> the
> > cable.
> >
> > 73,
> > Gerald K5GW
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/14/2015 12:13:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > donroden@hiwaay.net writes:
> >
> > Explain  the case where a 100 ohm load ( 2:1 ) can be a 1:1 swr at the
> > transmitter with a length of 75 ohm cable.  I've changed the  cable
> > length and improved the SWR.
> >
> >
> >
> > Don  W4DNR
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Gary Schafer  <garyschafer@largeriver.net>:
> >
> >> It means that-- if you are  looking at the SWR at your radio and
> there is
> > a
> >> tuner after the SWR  bridge, any changes in cable length after the
> tuner
> > will
> >> show a change  in SWR at the radio if you do not touch the tuners
> tuning.
> >> This  assumes that the load on the end of the cable is not 1:1.
> >>
> >> 2nd,  the SWR will always remain the same at the radio no matter what
> > length
> >>  of cable is used (except or cable loss) or what the load impedance
> is  as
> >> long as that load impedance remains the same.
> >>
> >>  73
> >> Gary  K4FMX
> >>
> >>> -----Original  Message-----
> >>> From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On  Behalf Of
> >>> donroden@hiwaay.net
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January  13, 2015 2:01 PM
> >>> To: amps@contesting.com
> >>> Subject: Re:  [Amps] Input SWR revisited
> >>>
> >>> Clear as Mud  .........
> >>> What does it all mean ???
> >>>
> >>> Don  W4DNR
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