Here's a little secret from the old days:
 When ZL1AMO operated from some of the rarer spots and generated massive 
pileups, he'd often listen DOWN 1, after sending UP.  I worked him in 
several placess with 100W and a dipole, with just a few calls.  
Something like that would no longer stay quiet, with panadapters and DX 
Clusters.
Barry W2UP
On 11/30/2016 13:32, Gerry Treas K8GT wrote:
 Like Marty, I only use the cluster/skimmer spots to see the conditions 
of the band, how many mults and what looks good. Clicking on the spot, 
I then use the big knob to find the sweet spot to call on..
 Since I've been DXing for 55 years and contesting for almost 30 years, 
I learned early on about tuning off zero beat for better odds on 
working the desired station.
73, Gerry, K8GT
On 30-Nov-16 08:06, Martin Durham wrote:
 Interestingly I tried this for the first time this weekend with 
WinTEST. After a few hours I turned it off and went back to clicking 
then tweaking the big knob on the front of the radio. Or just tuning 
the band map and 'finding' the sweet spot. The randomized is too 
rigid. +/- 100hz. Might or might not get it. The P&C'ers are not 
going away. The best we can do is have good ops on the dx end who 
know to listen off the zero beat and good ops on this end who know 
where to call.
 Several times heard well known contest calls on the edge of my 
passband call once and get through. K1DG and his brother...and his 
brother-in law, K5ZD and a few others.
The advantage of a DX-88 killer antenna!!  :)
Hearing ALL angles of the pileup.
73
Marty
W1MD
 
On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> wrote:
 Both N1MM+ and Win-Test have "randomizer" options that will 
automatically prevent you from being zero-beat, but still within +- 
100 Hz.
73,
Steve, N2IC
 
On 11/29/2016 02:54 PM, K9MA wrote:
 
On 11/29/2016 07:28, Bill via CQ-Contest wrote:
Calling DX stations dead zero beat on their QRG in a pileup is a no
no, yet it continues to happen.  Please call up or down a few hundred
HZ so everyone can hear the DX station respond!
 
 
I think a few hundred Hz is too much, unless the band is very
 uncrowded.  When the band is busy, somebody is running every 
300-400 Hz,
so if you call that far off, you're right on top of the next station.
50-100 Hz either way is usually enough to distinguish the beat note,
without causing too much QRM.
73,
Scott  K9MA
 
 
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