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Re: [CQ-Contest] Disqualified callsigns - CQ WW SSB contest.

To: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Disqualified callsigns - CQ WW SSB contest.
From: Ed K1EP <k1ep.list@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 22:27:18 -0400
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Many stations, including even the current CQWW Contest director, have at
times worked stations outside the US bands. I have been at several DX
locations in contests where US stations have called me while I was below
the US band working Eu. I gave up trying to explain things, I just work
them. None of the stations i worked in CQWW SSB 2016 were DQd. I have a
list of the US stations from this year that I worked outside the band. But
you can get DQd for getting spotted too many times by someone.

On Apr 13, 2017 9:02 PM, "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:

Agreed.  They violated FCC rules which I believe the rules state is a DQ?
At the very least we all agree to abide by them.

Operating outside the band is about as big a violation you can get.

It is defined under unsportsmanlike conduct.

*A. Unsportsmanlike Conduct:*Examples of unsportsmanlike conduct include,
but are not limited to:

1. Arranging or confirming any contacts during or after the contest by
   use of ANY non-amateur radio means such as telephones, Internet,
   instant messaging, chat rooms, VoIP, email, social media or web sites.
2. Transmissions by the entrant on frequencies outside of license
   limitations.
3. Changing times in the log to meet band change or off time rules.
4. Taking credit for excessive unverifiable QSOs or unverifiable
   multipliers.
5. Signals with excessive bandwidth (e.g., splatter, clicks) or
   harmonics on other bands.
6. Running stations not identifying in a timely manner (i.e., 1 minute).


The reason that such a small penalty was given was because of the
extensiveness and stations that did it.  How many of those logs were
massaged to indicate that the qso took place inside the USA band when it
did not or removed completely?  Was this checked? How many nils did the guy
that was outside the USA band get from USA entrants.  How many very known
USA stations did this?  A friend of mine said he heard many big time
Multi's working this station.


Not following the 10 minute rule is detailed under

*IX. GENERAL RULES FOR ALL ENTRANTS:*

1. Entrants must operate within the limits of their chosen category
   when performing any activity that could impact their submitted score.

Please direct me to the paragraph in the rules where I can learn how to
break the 10 minute rule and then X-qso out those "illegal" contacts to be
whole again.

Time and time again stations are given a pass, why?  Is it any wonder
people continue to push the rules.  Self spotting is a bigger offense than
operating outside your band?

Contesting appears to be a culture of looking the other way and as I learn
more it has been happening for a very long time.  We would like to think we
are the best.  If so then abide by the rules, especially our license rules.

A penalty of removing the qsos is less than a slap on the wrist. Sorry CQ.
You had a chance to send a strong message.  The one you just sent was
indeed there is plenty of USA/NA bias.

W0MU





On 4/13/2017 8:03 AM, Steve London wrote:

> One of those DQed is a YB who made about 50 QSO's, and may not even
> understand what self-spotting is. But the worst that happens to a USA
> contester, who knowingly or carelessly works stations out-of-band, is that
> he/she loses the QSO and gets a slap on the wrist.
>
> That's simply a message to USA contesters that, in the future, they have
> nothing to lose (except possibly the QSO) if they work stations out-of-band.
>
>
> Steve, N2IC
>
>
> On 04/13/2017 03:50 AM, w5ov@w5ov.com wrote:
>
> Out of band:  Most out of band qsos were disallowed for those who were out
>> of band for the QSO in question – this was applied globally.  Often, one
>> party is legal on a frequency, another is not.  Those who operated out of
>> their band were penalized and given no credit for those qsos / mults. No
>> one was DQed for this offense regardless of country / zone etc.  Some who
>> exhibited excessive carelessness about this matter were given formal
>> warnings.
>>
>
> Along with the other absurdities, the thought that USA / VE was given any
>> favor is again completely without any merit.
>>
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