On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 12:13:24AM -0400, Russ Pillsbury K2TXB wrote:
> > NO NO NO, surely the rules are written and understood. They are
> > not subject to interpretation. Packet operation, spotting nets
> > etc are not allowed.
>
> But the questions is "Not allowed for what?" Certainly the intent of the
> rules in disallowing packet operations is for use for spotting nets. If he
> is using it only for tracking, that is not spotting. And it does not give
> assistance to his station even if other stations were to use that info to
> locate him.
In the situation he describes, that is self-spotting. Traditionally,
self-spotting has been seen as placing your callsign and your CQ frequency
on a DX cluster. Blasting away continuously on APRS with your callsign and
location is pretty much the same thing in a VHF contest. By self-spotting,
the rover would be cheating - they would be using means other than the
contest bands and modes to solicit their two-way communications.
> Probably 80% of contacts made on the higher bands during contests are made
> by operators advertising at length on 6 or 2 meters that they are looking
> for UHF or microwave skeds. The skeds are made and the exact location to
> point, the frequency, sequencing are all known in advance of the attempt.
If the initial contact is made via a contest QSO, it is _entirely_ different.
To take the rover using APRS to the absurd extreme, why shouldn't that same
contest operation not have a PC at home, receiving the APRS spots on a
directional yagi that tracks the rover based on the APRS reported position
which, when it receives an APRS position in a new grid locator, then
emails every VHF/UHF ham the rover could get an email address for? What if
the computer also faxes all of these hams, or calls them on the phone and
leaves a voice message? What if it put out a spot on the DX cluster?
Or sent out a voice announcement on the local repeaters?
The point I am trying to make is that it is not just the technology used
to self-spot that is the issue - it is the act of self-spotting that matters.
Establishing two-way communications via the contest bands and modes and
asking a station to move to another band is entirely different.
> To carry the issue a bit further, I and many other stations often tell other
> contest stations about the location, frequency, etc., of other stations
> during a contest. Sometimes we even set up skeds for third parties. This
Assuming that those third parties are single-ops, then they cannot accept
your "help" in establishing two-way communications for contest QSO credit.
See ARRL VHF Contest Rules 2.1: "Single Operator: One person performs all
transmitting, receiving, spotting, and logging functions..." By relaying
a station's location, frequency, etc., you are spotting for them. They
cannot receive that assistance. Single-ops have to make all their QSOs
_by themselves_. That's what single-op means. Contesters should know this.
> practice was the center of discussion a few years ago and we were assured at
> that time that it was perfectly legal. Compared to that, what's so bad
> about someone discovering the location of a rover via an APRS tracker?
I don't think it's sportsmanlike, and if I heard someone actively offering
this sort of information, I'd be inclined to (a) ask them to stop, and/or (b)
let the Contest Branch know what happened.
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