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Re: [Amps] Question about safety ground connection

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Question about safety ground connection
From: "Will Matney" <craxd1@verizon.net>
Reply-to: craxd1@verizon.net
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:33 -0500
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Gary,

As strict as they are here, I highly doubt they'd pass it. They want you to 
follow the book even though you can re-color a wire that way. There really 
strict on seeing those two wires at the lamp being black tied together (lamp 
black and switch black). Heck I've seen them fail a recepticle box over being 
1/4" lower to the floor than it supposed to be!

Best,

Will

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On 11/15/05 at 9:58 PM Gary Schafer wrote:

>But when you mark a white wire with black tape it is no longer a white
>wire,
>it becomes a black wire.
>
>You can mark any wire any color you wish to and use it as the color you
>have
>marked it and it is perfectly acceptable.
>
>73
>Gary  K4FMX
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
>> Behalf Of Will Matney
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:22 PM
>> To: amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Question about safety ground connection
>> 
>> Gary,
>> 
>> No, because the black from the switch has to mate with the brass or dark
>> screw (or black wire) on the light fixture or fan, that's what the NEC
>> says. Then the main white return has to go to the silver screw, or white
>> wire. You only have those two screws (or wires), plus a green on some for
>> ground. That only leaves the white going to the switch to be used as a
>> hot, and tied to the black in the fixtures junction box which comes from
>> the breaker, or the fuse. If you put the black as hot to the switch, and
>> then run the white back to a brass screw, or black wire, the inspector
>> will catch it if he looks and fail it. In other words, that would put you
>> having two whites on the fixture. I learned that years ago in school
>under
>> house wiring, and after I got out and did commercial work. Sure you can
>do
>> it the other way, but it wont pass inspection, or wont here in Ohio.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Will
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> On 11/15/05 at 9:11 PM Gary Schafer wrote:
>> 
>> >It doesn't matter which wire you use as hot and which one is switched
>> when
>> >connected to a switch. I have a wiring book that has two different
>> >examples.
>> >One way white is hot to the switch and the other example black is hot to
>> >the
>> >switch.
>> >
>> >You should always mark a white wire that is used as hot with black tape
>> at
>> >both ends to identify it as a hot wire.
>> >It is also common practice to come into the bottom of the switch with
>the
>> >always hot wire and go out the top of the switch with the switched wire.
>> >
>> >73
>> >Gary  K4FMX
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com]
>> On
>> >> Behalf Of Will Matney
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:35 PM
>> >> To: amps@contesting.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [Amps] Question about safety ground connection
>> >>
>> >> In a switch leg using say 12-2 or 14-2 romex, the white wire is hot at
>> >the
>> >> switch. The white and black tie together in the junction box of the
>> light
>> >> fixture, and the black off the switch goes to the black wire on the
>> lamp.
>> >> So yes, this is a case where the white is hot. The NEC only allows
>this
>> >> case too.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Will
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> On 11/15/05 at 8:24 PM Gudguyham@aol.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In a message dated 11/15/2005 1:20:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >> >craxd1@verizon.net writes:
>> >> >
>> >> >I always  want to know a neutral isn't hot unless it's going to a
>> switch
>> >> >leg
>> >> >which I  think is the only NEC exception to the  rule.
>> >> >
>> >> >Best,
>> >> >
>> >> >Will
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >If a "white" wire is hot, it is not a neutral.  So a neutral is never
>> >> hot
>> >> >unless there is a fault.
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