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Re: [Amps] Clipperton-L parasitic suppressors

To: "Roger" <sub1@rogerhalstead.com>, "Cecil Acuff" <chacuff@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Clipperton-L parasitic suppressors
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:03:47 -0500
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>
> Cecil Acuff wrote:
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>>> but there is now a new generation of participants who weren't there at
>>> the time. There is a big and *important* difference between banning
>>> someone for his technical opinions (which I don't believe this reflector
>>> has ever done) and banning someone after several episodes of
>>> outrageously bad conduct.
>>>
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>> I guess I'm kind of in that group of new participants but was also a 
>> member for a short while back when Mr. Measures was still active on the 
>> list. Things were so intense between he and W8JI at the time I bailed 
>> out.  It was not helpful to anyone.  Off list request for info and help 
>> went unanswered.....
>>
>> I came back recently because I knew this was a great resource if one 
>> could get through the S/N ratio.
>>
>> But...my experience since I have returned has been mixed.  There are a 
>> few who have been very helpful on my 30S-1 questions going out of their 
>> way to help. For that I am thankful.  On the flip side there have been a 
>> few that seem to be more intent on strutting their education and 
>> experience in a manner that seems intent on belittling those of us that 
>> don't have our EE's. Quick to point out our shortcomings but offering 
>> little in the way of help in many cases.  To me that's a total waste of 
>> knowledge if one is not willing to share it by helping and guiding those 
>> of us that need and ask for it.  Again off list requests for info and 
>> help from those who, on list, project the appearence of being the most 
>> knowledgable.
>>
> To me this list has had (since the aforementioned problems) the lowest 
> noise ratio of about any list I've been on. I may have a lot of time, but 
> I've found out more about tubes and amps on here than any where else. It's 
> been particularly fruitful in the past few months, at least for me. Now if 
> I could just figure out where to get the money to do all these things, and 
> purchase all these parts<:-))
>
> On of the most difficult things in my career was to get engineers to speak 
> in a manner that the rest of us would understand.  Then I made a startling 
> discovery.  I was almost as bad in my own field (computers) where I had 
> prided myself on being able to give plain language explanations. It seemed 
> the more I learned, the more difficult it became to explain something 
> fully without discovering my audience had that glazed look. You know 
> you've lost them after the second or third "yah or uh huh" in a row.  We 
> also approach things differently.  Some start with the overall project and 
> work down to the details. Other's may start with a specific detail and 
> work up. Many of us, me included, have forgotten the details by the time 
> we figure out where the narration is going. <:-))
>
> Moving a bit beyond that, scientists  as a group are not noted for plain 
> language communications skills. certainly there are exceptions.  An 
> introductory class from a PHD can be a nightmare.
>
> The difficult part on the reflectors is trying to communicate something 
> known by one person to another that doesn't know without sounding 
> condescending or bragging. I just figure (and hope) the one helping me, 
> really knows more about the specific subject than I do. Outside my own 
> field that's a pretty safe bet, but doesn't come with a guarantee.
>
>
>> While I have done over 30 years of electronics work in my career and 
>> spare time...design work as it relates to RF amplifiers is an area that 
>> is lacking.  I have the desire to learn the proper ways and understand 
>> the theory and in some cases have learned a lot from some of the posts.
>>
>> You guys education and real world experience would be better spent 
>> helping those who have the desire to do things correctly.  Pass it on...
>>
> These are the reasons I have tried to document the things I've done that 
> might be helpful and often include links. Usually, about the time I think 
> I've learned something, something else breaks and makes a liar out of me. 
> It seems like now days I spend more time fixing things than building or 
> doing things. Of course that leads my wife to tell me it's a good sign I 
> have too many things, which of course is where I remind here that many of 
> those things I'm fixing are hers. <:-)) Of course it's difficult for me to 
> talk about anything without slipping in something aviation related...which 
> BTW has both a Navigation radio and communications radio that needs fixing 
> so I gotta stay out of the clouds.
>> Why else participate on a list like this if you can't...or won't...
>>
>> Sorry if my note ruffles some feathers...but that is the view through my 
>> knot hole at this point.
>>
> It makes some good points.
>
> Now if I could just figure out how to keep my typing from deteriorating as 
> I age...along with a lot of other things.
> Oops, my cat is emptying waste baskets which means I've spent too much 
> time at the computer.
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>> With that I'll step off my apple crate and go back to repairing a Henry 
>> 3KA with an open HV PS ballast string....
>>
>> Cecil
>> K5DL


All good points Roger.

I remember a saying from decades ago that a few should consider on here and 
elsewhere when expecting others to take the time to try and help with a 
problem.

"It is not a good idea to throw a grenade into a room and then go in and ask 
your boss for a raise."

Carl
KM1H


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