No I agree also,
I have no problem with the spotting system of any kind. What I DO have
a problem with is a trend that you MUST have the internet to be in a
contest if you want to send in the results.
Yes I know this is only one contest so far. But even my local ARRL
section manager did not know of the rule that you must submit your
results either live during the contest or no later than 10 minutes after
the contest is over. Nre is a rep of the ARRL and he even said thats un
reasonable.
I gave him a good example of a new kid in high school I just got into
contesting. He tried first time in the WIsconsin QSO party, and did
great! he blew many of the locals away, is he doesn't win the rookie
class he's surely gonne be near the top. then I had him try the WPX
contest and again he did pretty good for only his second contest.
When he heard of the brand new Rookie roundup, (I guess it's supposed to
replace the old novice roundup) he was soo excited, till he found out
that you MUST have the internet to participate in this new contest.
He can and does send his logs in electronically via me. because his
parents are really strict they allowed him to have his amateur radio
but the net is absolutely forbidden. so he does the contest, and when
finished he mails me his logs and i submit them for him. it's not
perfect but it works,
But this contest says you must log in no less than ten minutes after the
contest is over to send in his logs. impossible! I live 2 hours away.
Pushing to log live is what I do not want to see to come to contesting.
there are many that don't have the net. why should someone be forced
out of a contest if they don't have the net.
the spotting and clusters, and any other wired "Aid" is a choice to use
or not. But forcing someone to have the net to do a RADIO yes RADIO
activity sucks.
Joe WB9SBD
Driftless Zone Contesters W9ET
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 4/13/2010 3:49 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> I'm frankly confused. Almost all the major contests have non-assisted
> categories where any sort of spotting network assistance is not
> allowed and no real-time internet connection is required, and some
> contests do not allow it for ANY of their categories. Those who want
> to operate in "pure fashion" using only their radio (plus, of course,
> their memory keyers, SCP help files, call history files, CW decoders,
> etc) are free to do so. In essence, these contests have "no wires"
> categories that preserve the sanctity of radio as you see it (sarcasm
> intended), while allowing "wired" assistance for other categories. In
> truth, though, the most prestigious categories still tend to be the
> unassisted ones and for some major contests the assisted categories
> get relegated to the end of the score listings, so I'm having a real
> hard time perceiving the damage to the hobby that you and Paul seem to
> do.
>
> So exactly how do these other technologies undermine the hobby? And
> how is their use in any way illegitimate? Please be specific. It
> seems to me that their only crime is being different than what you or
> Paul prefer to do. I can think of all sorts of competitive events
> where multiple categories with different levels of assistance or
> technology are run simultaneously ... why is radiosport any different?
>
> I personally prefer to operate unassisted, but I see no less
> legitimacy for those who choose to operate differently as long as they
> adhere to the rules for the category they claim.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
>
> On 4/12/2010 8:11 PM, Idle-Tyme wrote:
>> Agreed!
>>
>> Just like the instant logging on the new contest from the ARRL the
>> Rookie Roundup. Unless you have the internet, too bad, youre not
>> welcome in this contest.
>>
>> Sad when Radio has to have wires to play.
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Driftless Zone Contesters W9ET
>>
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>
>> On 4/12/2010 5:37 PM, Paul O'Kane wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Pete Smith"<n4zr@contesting.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Metaphorical loom-smashing aside, I think that this
>>>> development will have little impact in the world of
>>>> single-op contesting, given the rules that have been
>>>> put in place in the last couple of years.
>>>>
>>> This development is, in terms of amateur radio contesting,
>>> a weapon of mass destruction which, rather than being
>>> subject to stringent controls, has been put into the hands
>>> of anyone with an internet connection - in effect, all of
>>> us.
>>>
>>> The fact that something can be done does not always mean
>>> that it is worth doing. The people who have developed
>>> this technology can congratulate themselves on the
>>> introduction of a fundamental change in the nature of
>>> contesting, to the extent that it has been largely
>>> debased.
>>>
>>> They may argue it's just a natural extension of existing
>>> technology - the cluster. If so, doesn't that raise a
>>> question about the legitimacy of the cluster?
>>>
>>> Regardless of how we got here, or how well-intentioned
>>> the developers were/are, we should not be here. The
>>> internet serves only to undermine amateur radio - by
>>> putting the wires back into wireless.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Paul EI5DI
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