Ok,
This will be the last of me on this subject of contesting and having the
internet be a requirement to participate. Remember i made reference to
my section manager saying that he flelt it was un realistic, and he
forwarded it onto ARRL HQ,
I just got this from them. I guess I'm a Old timer (license since 75)
and stuck in my ways. Hey, I've contested since 75 too and only a year
ago was the first time I contested logging with a computer i till then
was still paper logs and dupesheets. So I see I am in the minority
here, Below is what HQ sent to me.
Last of the subject from me.
sorry,
Joe WB9SBD
*From:* Kutzko, Sean, KX9X
*Sent:* Thu 4/8/2010 2:26 PM
*To:* 'nss@wmt.net'
*Cc:* 'Don Michalski'
*Subject:* RE: ARRL Rookie Roundup
Hello Joe-
Wisconsin Section Manager Don Michalski, W9IXG forwarded me your email
to him concerning the style of submission for the ARRL Rookie Roundup. I
have read it, as well as the comments about the event you have posted to
the CQ-Contest email reflector over the past several weeks.
The Rookie Roundup is designed to be a new approach to contesting, and
was developed with the input of numerous amateurs, young and old,
newly-licensed to old-timers, at Dayton in 2009. It is designed to be an
event with a population where the internet has been a household
appliance for some time. I understand that there will be a relative few
that qualify as Rookies that do not have internet access, but the fact
is that most people in the United States today have access to the
internet. Contrary to your claim, the QSOs still need to be made via
radio; only the logging portion is conducted over the internet.
According to a Nielsen survey in March 2009, more than 75% of households
in the United States had internet access.
Each ARRL contest has a different flavor to it, with a different set of
rules. We offer several contests to the spectrum of ARRL members and
non-member that cater to many sub-interests within contesting. The
Rookie Roundup was created to encourage those who already compete over
the internet using numerous gaming systems, after prolonged and repeated
comments that standard contest reporting methods take too long. The
demographic of the contester is changing.
Several Amateurs have requested a longer submission window. As a result
of that feedback, we have lengthened the submission time to one hour
after the end of the event to submit logs.
One of the key components to the Rookie Roundup is Elmering. Perhaps you
would be willing to let the person you reference in your email operate
your station, where you have access to the internet.
While we will certainly continue to review comments we receive
concerning the Rookie Roundup, real-time scoring is what this particular
contest was designed around and I do not see that aspect of the Rookie
Roundup changing.
Thanks for taking the time to write in with your comments.
73,
Sean Kutzko, KX9X
Contest Branch Manager
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio^(TM)
225 Main St.
Newington, CT 06111
860-594-0232
skutzko@arrl.org
Visit the ARRL Contest Branch Blog at: kx9x.wordpress.com
Rookie Roundup Blog: RookieRoundup.wordpress.com
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On 4/13/2010 4:25 PM, Idle-Tyme wrote:
> No I agree also,
>
> I have no problem with the spotting system of any kind. What I DO have
> a problem with is a trend that you MUST have the internet to be in a
> contest if you want to send in the results.
>
> Yes I know this is only one contest so far. But even my local ARRL
> section manager did not know of the rule that you must submit your
> results either live during the contest or no later than 10 minutes after
> the contest is over. Nre is a rep of the ARRL and he even said thats un
> reasonable.
>
> I gave him a good example of a new kid in high school I just got into
> contesting. He tried first time in the WIsconsin QSO party, and did
> great! he blew many of the locals away, is he doesn't win the rookie
> class he's surely gonne be near the top. then I had him try the WPX
> contest and again he did pretty good for only his second contest.
>
> When he heard of the brand new Rookie roundup, (I guess it's supposed to
> replace the old novice roundup) he was soo excited, till he found out
> that you MUST have the internet to participate in this new contest.
>
> He can and does send his logs in electronically via me. because his
> parents are really strict they allowed him to have his amateur radio
> but the net is absolutely forbidden. so he does the contest, and when
> finished he mails me his logs and i submit them for him. it's not
> perfect but it works,
>
> But this contest says you must log in no less than ten minutes after the
> contest is over to send in his logs. impossible! I live 2 hours away.
>
> Pushing to log live is what I do not want to see to come to contesting.
> there are many that don't have the net. why should someone be forced
> out of a contest if they don't have the net.
>
> the spotting and clusters, and any other wired "Aid" is a choice to use
> or not. But forcing someone to have the net to do a RADIO yes RADIO
> activity sucks.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> Driftless Zone Contesters W9ET
>
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>
> On 4/13/2010 3:49 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
>> I'm frankly confused. Almost all the major contests have non-assisted
>> categories where any sort of spotting network assistance is not
>> allowed and no real-time internet connection is required, and some
>> contests do not allow it for ANY of their categories. Those who want
>> to operate in "pure fashion" using only their radio (plus, of course,
>> their memory keyers, SCP help files, call history files, CW decoders,
>> etc) are free to do so. In essence, these contests have "no wires"
>> categories that preserve the sanctity of radio as you see it (sarcasm
>> intended), while allowing "wired" assistance for other categories. In
>> truth, though, the most prestigious categories still tend to be the
>> unassisted ones and for some major contests the assisted categories
>> get relegated to the end of the score listings, so I'm having a real
>> hard time perceiving the damage to the hobby that you and Paul seem to
>> do.
>>
>> So exactly how do these other technologies undermine the hobby? And
>> how is their use in any way illegitimate? Please be specific. It
>> seems to me that their only crime is being different than what you or
>> Paul prefer to do. I can think of all sorts of competitive events
>> where multiple categories with different levels of assistance or
>> technology are run simultaneously ... why is radiosport any different?
>>
>> I personally prefer to operate unassisted, but I see no less
>> legitimacy for those who choose to operate differently as long as they
>> adhere to the rules for the category they claim.
>>
>> Dave AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/12/2010 8:11 PM, Idle-Tyme wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed!
>>>
>>> Just like the instant logging on the new contest from the ARRL the
>>> Rookie Roundup. Unless you have the internet, too bad, youre not
>>> welcome in this contest.
>>>
>>> Sad when Radio has to have wires to play.
>>>
>>> Joe WB9SBD
>>> Driftless Zone Contesters W9ET
>>>
>>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>>> Idle Tyme
>>> Idle-Tyme.com
>>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>>
>>> On 4/12/2010 5:37 PM, Paul O'Kane wrote:
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Pete Smith"<n4zr@contesting.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Metaphorical loom-smashing aside, I think that this
>>>>> development will have little impact in the world of
>>>>> single-op contesting, given the rules that have been
>>>>> put in place in the last couple of years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> This development is, in terms of amateur radio contesting,
>>>> a weapon of mass destruction which, rather than being
>>>> subject to stringent controls, has been put into the hands
>>>> of anyone with an internet connection - in effect, all of
>>>> us.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that something can be done does not always mean
>>>> that it is worth doing. The people who have developed
>>>> this technology can congratulate themselves on the
>>>> introduction of a fundamental change in the nature of
>>>> contesting, to the extent that it has been largely
>>>> debased.
>>>>
>>>> They may argue it's just a natural extension of existing
>>>> technology - the cluster. If so, doesn't that raise a
>>>> question about the legitimacy of the cluster?
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of how we got here, or how well-intentioned
>>>> the developers were/are, we should not be here. The
>>>> internet serves only to undermine amateur radio - by
>>>> putting the wires back into wireless.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Paul EI5DI
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