Jorge,
You are right. Contesting is getting older, just like many contesters.
I can not understand why changing is so hard for CQWW guardians.
It's clear we have two kinds of "clients" on the game.
- The casual contesters
- The serious contesters
Those clients demands are different. There is no one big enough
umbrella to cover them all.
Casual needs be stimulated to get into the game, there is no cheater
on this group. Just innocent players. If a casual contesters cheat
there is no impact on the results.
The serious contesters group is where all honorable and disgusting
operators are. How to spot how is how on the game? Harder rules. And
stronger/painful punishments for those trying to make the Top 5 by
breaking/blending the rules.
Bottom of line: with one simple rule for all, we are penalizing casual
Ops and let the cheater have fun on contests.
73, Luc
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WRTC.2010 Brazilian Team Leader
PY8AZT (also PT7AG, PX8C, ZZ8Z, ZY7C)
LABRE, ARRL, CWJF & Fortaleza DX Group Member
2011/9/28 Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge@gmail.com>:
> Hi Joe,
>
> that´s because the rules still have points that where good 40-50 years
> ago!...
>
> now you don´t need to wait more than 2 days to send the log.
>
> Some contest like Russian (RDXC), are improving the rules:
>
> 12.1 Logs must be submitted to the contest sponsors within 14 days after the
> end of the contest
>
> 12.2 An applicant aiming for a spot in the "Top 3" list of any contest
> category (paragraph 3, 3.3) must submit his logs within 36 hours after the
> end of the contest.
>
>
> Top of the line is WRTC. how many days the teams have to send his logs? they
> are not correcting the logs, sending emails to check the exchanges,
> listening for recording files, etc. This is not contest, this is not
> ethic!...
>
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] En nombre de Joe
> Enviado el: Miércoles, 28 de Septiembre de 2011 12:17 a.m.
> Para: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was: =>RE:
> Chea
>
> I have a question it is at the bottom after this exchange.
>
> On 9/27/2011 6:40 PM, w5ov@w5ov.com wrote:
>> KQ2M Wrote:
>>
>>> 2nd situation:
>>>
>>> Op A is tired before the contest and decides to tape record everything
>> and write it down after the contest, rather than keep a computer log
>> during the contest. No other person helped him with the tape recording
>> or transcription functions before or after the contest. Is this allowed
>> in the SO Unasisted category?
>>
>> Short answer: No.
>>
>> Explanation: This is a trick question because transcribing the contest
>> after the contest is not allowed in any category. The logging must be done
>> during the contest period - the contest ends at 23:59z. If he can
>> transcribe 48 hours of a contest before that contest ends, fine. But, to
>> do what you suggest would extend the contest period past the 48 hours.
>> This has been tried in the past and it is not OK to do so. It also has
>> nothing to do with being assisted.
>>
>>> Would the answer be any different if the transcription from tape to
>>> computer log took place during the contest as opposed to after the
>> contest is over?
>>
>> Yes and it would be OK if completed by 23:59z as I said above.
>>
>>> Would the answer be different if another person performed the
>>> transcription from tape to computer log before or after the contest?
>> Yes, the answer would be different, but in this situation, it would be
>> multi-op if done before 23:59z, and not permitted after the contest.
>>
>>> I'm really interested in the answers to these questions. I don't recall
>>> seeing them asked and answered on the reflector before. Tnx& 73
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Bob Shohet, KQ2M
>> I hope these answers help.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Bob W5OV
>
> Been contesting since the early 70's when everything was paper logs and
> dupe sheets. Back then it was common practice for after a contest was
> over, to re write the logs over.
> Reason?
>
> During the heat of the contest peoples penmanship can get pretty bad.
> They can easily read their own writing, but others would have a hard
> time if at all, so many would re write the contest so the log then was
> clear and legible.
>
> Nothing was changed or fixed, but the horrid penmanship that was
> readable only by the original writer, was rewritten so anyone could
> understand it.
>
> Would this be a legal thing to do? I know it was very common practice.
>
> If it was NOT legal to do and you had to send in your logs as is, then
> why did contests have such a HUGE window to get your logs mailed in?
>
> If you were not to re write them and only send in the originals, why did
> most contests have like a 2 month window to get them mailed in. Why so
> long?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
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