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Re: [CQ-Contest] Cheating

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Cheating
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:23:08 -0700
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Actually, Hans, that's pretty much the attitude I was trying to combat 
when I wrote my original post about the ad for the 8K-Ultra.  I really 
wasn't trying to focus attention on the hardware side of things ... not 
big amplifiers and not physical means of catching cheaters.  Personally, 
I don't think there is a practical solution to the problem from that end.

Instead, what bothered me greatly was that power cheating had become so 
blatant that a nationally known vendor like RadioDan (W7RF) would 
publicly advocate the running of illegal power to gain a competitive 
edge in a contest.  As I've asked before, where's the universal 
condemnation of those who cheat?  They get a delisting in the contest 
results and that's pretty much it.  That's all the contest sponsor can 
do but what about the rest of us?  Where's the willingness to publicly 
speak out about cheaters based upon first hand knowledge?  As another 
poster here commented, people who reluctantly point a finger are more 
likely to be ignored because it is an uncomfortable topic, or worse, 
more likely to be condemned than the person they point the finger at.

And while you may not have first hand knowledge of anyone who has 
cheated, I've listened to literally dozens of stories from people who 
claimed to have first hand knowledge of someone chronically cheating.  
So yeah, lets just keep pretending it's a "small number" of violators 
and ignore the issue some more, or pretend that the contest sponsors 
have the burden and the means to solely address the issue while we get 
back to other, less contentious topics.

Until we, the contesting community, accept some measure of 
responsibility for policing our own ranks and applying peer pressure to 
rule violators we totally get what we deserve.  Being a contest sponsor 
must be a ridiculously thankless task ....

Dave   AB7E





On 10/14/2011 6:57 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
> Tony, you've neatly summarized the situation.
>
> I'm sure that there is some very small number of cheaters out there.  I've
> been hamming 50 years and contesting at some level for most of those years,
> and I've never met one that I even SUSPECT, let alone could accuse in good
> conscience, but like I said, I'm sure that there might be some small number
> of them out there.
>
> So let's make a deal here, people.  If you know one and have persuasive
> evidence, turn the sucker in to the contest sponsor.
>
> Now then, let's turn this back into a reflector where I can learn new
> contesting skills.  Take your cheating jeremiads to
> CQ-Contest-CHEATERS@yahoogroups.com  (yes, there is such a reflector).
>
> 73, de Hans, K0HB
> "Just a Boy and his Radio"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Rogozinski
>
>
> Bottom line is that there is no solution - let them enjoy their shallow
> victories and if you can prove it let the world know
> in no uncertain terms who they are.  Those of you who can be included in the
> group that I'm referring to may think
> about it a little and consider the value of being dishonest - you're no
> better than common criminals.
>
> Tony
>
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