I think it bothers more people that people are using databases that they
did not create to attempt to give them an advantage in the contest than
it does people changing their check. The agenda is penalizing people
that use databases instead of copying what was sent.
John you can send whatever prec you want. I hope it matches the log you
are sending in. If you are not sending in a log then it doesn't matter
at all. People have inadvertently changed their prec in the middle of a
contest by using packet by mistake or forgot to turn the amp off etc.
You can break the speed limit in most places by up to 5 mph. This is not
much different.
I wish you well running those pileups on 60m.
W0MU
On 11/9/2017 9:00 AM, John Geiger wrote:
In terms of the check, yes, it can be hard at times to remember what
year it was or to know which operators year to use, but does it bother
anyone else when some people on this reflector mention that they are
going to purposely violate this rule for one agenda or another? If it
is stated in the rules what the check is supposed to be, stations
should follow it to the best of their memory (of year first
licensed). Yes, the ARRL might not enforce it, but still, it is in
the rules. I guess I could send whatever PREC I want also since it
has no bearing on others scores. I am sure one of the letters of A,
B, U, M, Q and S are the easiest to copy, so I could just pick that
one and send it.
Along a related lines, I have seen the rules for some state QSO
parties where they mention you can use all HF bands except the WARC
bands. That allows me to run their contest on 60 meter! 60 meters is
not a WARC band. I didn't do it, but their rules allowed for it
73 John AF5CC
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:05 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com
<mailto:w0mu@w0mu.com>> wrote:
Not to mention the cases of multi ops, people that can't remember
exactly etc.
People using whatever they want for a check has zero impact on the
contest.
As the competitor copy what is sent and log it and work the next guy.
The rules do not specify that all competitors should start with
QSO #1. Starting with another number to attempt to dissuade
competition probably breaks some other type of sportsmanship
rule. I have heard of people doing this. I have no proof that it
was ever done. Do your best and let the chips fall where they
may. Even if someone had 100 more contacts than you did, you have
no clue how much time they have in or if they even intend to
finish the contest, heck who knows, maybe the amp dies or the
power goes out for that station.
I would hope that everyone would start with Qso #1.
W0MU
On 11/9/2017 6:41 AM, Zack Widup wrote:
How would you know, anyway? You could look back through my
records and
maybe find that I've had the W9SZ call since 1977. But you
wouldn't be
able to easily find the call I had before that. Or when I was
first
licensed. Would you want to spend the time to do this to
everyone you
worked to find out if someone was breaking a rule by giving a
different year? I have better things to do with my time.
And the check number does not affect my score or anyone else's
- that
is, if I gave a wrong section, it would possibly affect someone's
score if they only worked me in the section I was reporting.
The check
is just a number to copy.
I suppose this has been asked, too, but do you have to start
with the
number 1 on the contest? I know it says consecutive serial
numbers,
but what if you started with 200 or 500?
73, Zack W9SZ
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Kelly Taylor <ve4xt@mymts.net
<mailto:ve4xt@mymts.net>> wrote:
Mike’s right. FFS, the League, which is the FINAL arbiter
of all things ruleswise, has said it doesn’t matter, as
long as people copy what you send..
Ergo, it DOESN’T MATTER. Copy what is sent, move on to the
next Q. Save your mental energy for things that really matter.
73, kelly, ve4xt
On Nov 8, 2017, at 7:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett
<w0mu@w0mu.com <mailto:w0mu@w0mu.com>> wrote:
This discussion has been going on now for what as long
at the CQ-Contest reflector has been around and yet
most people still send their check right.
Just copy what is sent and move on. The data sent and
received has no meaning. It is an arbitrary part of
the exchange. Why not make it your grid square. Then
it can't change and would go along well with the new
ARRL operating event for next year...............Grid
squares worked!
W0MU
On 11/8/2017 5:17 PM, Mike/W5JR wrote:
Sounds like everyone is going to be sending "55"
next year.
tnx
Mike / W5JR
Alpharetta GA
sent via my HP95LX
On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:37 PM, John Geiger
<af5cc2@gmail.com <mailto:af5cc2@gmail.com>>
wrote:
What is the point of the ARRL stating in the
rules that the check is the
year first licensed, if they really don't care
what you send?
73 John AF5CC
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:51 AM, W0MU Mike
Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com
<mailto:w0mu@w0mu.com>> wrote:
I think most people try to use their
actual year licensed.
That would be a good question to ask on
the entry form. What year were
you licensed. It think we all know that
new hams are hard to come by and
many are not interested in contesting.
W0MU
On 11/7/2017 1:54 PM, ShelbyK4WW wrote:
Why are so many putting so much
emphasis on the CK, as anything more than
a
"randomly chosen two digit number that
is consistently used throughout the
contest", having absolutely no
relation to anything? ARRL has
indicated it
will not enforce the CK as being "The
last 2 digits of the year of first
license for either the operator or the
station", and many have indicated
that they change their CK, from year
to year? It certainly has little, if
any, bearing on when they were licensed?
As far as CW speed is concerned, when
I call another station, I feel
obligated to try and match their
speed. Sometimes this requires me to
listen to several contacts, before
calling. I expect, and usually receive,
the same consideration, when I'm
called? I fail to see any logic to
calling
at a much higher speed, then having to
endure several repeats?
In it to win it? Not a chance
In it to have fun? Most definitely
73, Shelby - K4WW
As I don't have an iPad nor iPhone,
sent from my PC
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