Hi Sterling,
If the originator of a live stream intends to compete in a contest,
its incumbent on the competitor to comply with the rules.
It doesn't matter if others haven't complied in the past.
It doesn't matter if its hard to do.
Correspond with your ARRL Director if you want different rules.
73
Frank
W3LPL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling Mann" <kawfey@gmail.com>
To: donovanf@starpower.net
Cc: "CQ-Contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 2:38:46 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Merging Social Media and Contesting
Frank, we have differing opinions regarding the judgement of the W2RE's actions
and the intent of the rules.
His CQs, exchanges, and solicitations were not relayed over the internet.
"Contacts made through repeaters, digipeaters, or gateways are not permitted.
This applies to all forms of active relays or repeaters" is saying the contact
may only take place without relays. No contact was made using the stream. To do
this, an S&P who could not hear W2RE but W2RE could hear the S&Per would have
to entirely use the audio of the stream to complete the contact. However,
livestreams are always on a fairly significant delay (typically 30s), so one
could not make a real-time QSO with him solely by listening to him on the
stream. https://youtu.be/aydTZN4nLfU?t=20005 is one case where someone said
"love the youtube channel" but I guarantee the S&Per made the QSO entirely via
amateur radio due to this delay.
Nor was he soliciting contacts via the stream. Solicitation implies that he was
asking people to work him on a non-amateur means of communication, but I don't
think that's the case here. To solicit a QSO, he would need to give a potential
contact his frequency. Arguably he could have also said "find me on 20m" or
"find my spots" and that may have been a violation. He says that he's at the
bottom of the band here: https://youtu.be/aydTZN4nLfU?t=97 and to look on the
dx cluster here: https://youtu.be/aydTZN4nLfU?t=623 . I do think saying that is
not compliant to the rules, but I don't think posting a stream of his operation
is automatically solicitation.
The video does not show his frequency, which would have been a clear violation,
but others independently posted his run freq to the chat after finding it on
the cluster. Ideally, that should have been deleted, but I don't think W2RE is
responsible for what other people are saying. Personally, I'm in agreement with
others that say an unlimited category would be good here. Ideally the
self-spotting rule would not apply to unlimited, keeping us from having to
think too hard about what self-spotting is.
Additionally, Ray seems to be aware of the chat in the beginning but later on,
as they discuss what frequency he's on, he seems to ignore it. It may have been
put out of his sight, in which case he's not responsible for viewers conspiring
together to work him. At least I don't think he is. But this is where the
problem has it's greatest merit - does the stream give him an advantage over
other operators? Averaged out over time, I don't really think it does.
The only rule I could see him potentially violating is giving stations that
work him a non-amateur means of verifying the information in their QSO. An
S&Per might botch the QSO, be watching the stream, wait 30s after the QSO, and
hear Ray "repeat" it on stream. But is that on Ray, or on the other op? I would
argue the S&Per is breaking the rules because that person is using a
non-amateur means to complete the QSO, exactly like if the S&Per texted W2RE
what his exchange is. It's analogous to a gun manufacturer being liable for
deaths caused by their guns. The catch is in the texting case, W2RE is an
accomplice to the S&Pers violation. On a stream, is W2RE an accomplice in the
same way? You would have to say that W2REs purpose for the stream is to give
his S&Pers a second chance, but the evidence doesn't lead me to that
conclusion.
Jeez. I spend way too much time writing emails on this list. I'm sorry to write
a brick of text but this is CQ-contest, and it's the one place on the world
wide web full of other contesters where discussions like these can be hashed
out into action.
-Sterling N0SSC
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:36 PM < donovanf@starpower.net > wrote:
T his video of the RHR Live Stream reveals violations of four General Rules for
all ARRL Contests:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aydTZN4nLfU
What are the specific violations shown in the video?
1. CQs (i.e., soliciting a contact) were relayed via the internet
2. Exchanges (a necessary half of every QSO) were relayed via the internet
3. end-of-QSO solications (i.e., QRZs) were relayed via the internet
4. His 14155 frequency was shown multiple times during the live stream
5.
What specific General Rules for all ARRL Contests were violated?
3.9. Contacts made through repeaters, digipeaters, or gateways are not
permitted
1. 3.9.1. This applies to all forms of active relays or repeaters.
2. 3.10. The use of non-Amateur Radio means of communication (for example,
Internet or telephone) to solicit a contact (or contacts) during the contest
period is not permitted.
3. 3.14. In contests where spotting nets are permissible, spotting your own
station or requesting another station to spot you is not permitted.
73
Frank
W3LPL
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