I have a dog named Spot. Should I have him investigated?
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> 1. Raw Scores Now On-Line -- CQ WW CW (John Dorr)
> 2. Re: Spoofed Spots (Christian Schneider)
> 3. Re: [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp (Zack Widup)
> 4. Re: Spoofed Spots (Hans Brakob)
> 5. Re: Spoofed Spots (Hans Brakob)
> 6. W0BH & XYL in the News (jimk8mr@aol.com)
> 7. Re: Spoofed Spots (Charles Gallo)
> 8. Re: W0BH & XYL in the News (jimk8mr@aol.com)
> 9. Re: Spoofed Spots (Jack Brindle)
> 10. Re: Spoofed Spots (Stan Stockton)
> 11. Re: Spoofed Spots (Jim Brown)
> 12. Re: Raw Scores Now On-Line -- CQ WW CW (Pete Smith N4ZR)
> 13. Re: Spoofed Spots (Pete Smith N4ZR)
> 14. Re: Spoofed Spots (Ron Notarius W3WN)
> 15. Re: Spoofed Spots (Chuck Dietz)
> 16. Re: Spoofed Spots (Jack Brindle)
> 17. Re: Spoofed Spots (Richard F DiDonna NN3W)
> 18. Re: Spoofed Spots (Pete Smith N4ZR)
> 19. Re: Spoofed Spots (Pete Smith N4ZR)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:10:55 -0500
> From: John Dorr <cqk1ar@gmail.com>
> To: CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Raw Scores Now On-Line -- CQ WW CW
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> The raw scores for the 2021 CQ WW CW contest are now online.
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> https://cqww.com/raw.htm?mode=cw
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> My thanks to the CQWW Contest Committee members responsible for getting
> this done in less than a week after the contest ended!
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> 73, John, K1AR
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 11:33:41 +0100
> From: Christian Schneider <prickler.schneider@t-online.de>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
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> From the sideline:
> Do will still speak about a hobby or are we close to bring in FBI and
> the likes for spot fraud investigations?
> 73, Chris DL8MBS
>
>> Am 04.12.2021 um 22:26 schrieb Martin, LU5DX:
>> How does the ARRL validate the authenticity of the data uploaded to LoTW?
>> Same method could be applied here.
>> The network should only allow trafic from users who have completed KYC, and
>> authenticate with either, certificates SSH keys, 2FA, etc.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>
>> El s?b., 4 dic. 2021 13:34, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> escribi?:
>>
>>> Let's put things in perspective. Multi-billion dollar corporations can't
>>> stop Rachel from Cardholder Services. How are we going to stop this?
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 08:20:26 -0600
> From: Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@gmail.com>
> To: k9yc@arrl.net
> Cc: CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp
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> Gee, now I need some of that wine along with my Contesters coffee!
>
> https://www.theunseenbean.com/coffee/contesters
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
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>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 2:06 AM Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> It should be noted that Ed, a top RTTY contester and major force behind
>> integrating FT modes into contesting, owns and operates a winery and is
>> donating the wines. I live close enough to him to know him as a friend
>> and buy them by the case every year or so. Another top RTTY contester
>> and winery owner, WK6I, donates wine for CQP winners.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>> On 12/3/2021 8:32 PM, Ed Muns wrote:
>>> No, due to my failure to get the shipments out. The last wine shipments
>> were for the prior 10-Meter RTTY Contest. Mea Culpa, I will endeavor to
>> catch up. Too much volunteer responsibility on my plate, I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Ed W0YK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: rttydigital@groups.io <rttydigital@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kermit
>> Lehman via groups.io
>>> Sent: 03 December, 2021 09:56
>>> To: rttydigital@groups.io; wsjtx@groups.io; cq-contest@contesting.com
>>> Subject: [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FT Roundup: Has anyone in the USA who's finished in the top ten in the
>> FT RoundUp ever gotten a bottle of wine?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just curious.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken, AB1J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ed Muns, W0YK <ed@w0yk.com <mailto:ed@w0yk.com> >
>>> To: rttydigital@groups.io <mailto:rttydigital@groups.io> ;
>> wsjtx@groups.io <mailto:wsjtx@groups.io> ; 'CQ-Contest Reflector' <
>> cq-contest@contesting.com <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com> >
>>> Cc: 'Don Hill AA5AU' <aa5au@bellsouth.net <mailto:aa5au@bellsouth.net> >
>>> Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2021 3:10 am
>>> Subject: Re: [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp Practice Sessions?
>>>
>>> Yes!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 0300-0359 UTC, Saturday, 4 December (that?s Friday evening NA time)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please use the suggested sub-bands the FT Roundup rules, so as not to
>> confuse and annoy the activity on the daily default FT8 frequencies:
>> https://www.rttycontesting.com/ft-roundup/rules/ FT4 was developed
>> exclusively for contesting so the overlap of these recommended sub-bands
>> with daily FT4 usage is acceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Despite 3 sub-bands being recommended on each major band, most activity
>> concentrates in the first sub-band which makes it harder for everyone to
>> make QSOs due to the congestion. The sooner we all, as a group, learn to
>> spread out to the other two sub-bands, the more fun it will be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After the contest, please email your Cabrillo log file to:
>> ft8-ru@cqww.com <mailto:ft8-ru@cqww.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, Don AA5AU, would really appreciate any stories and photos from
>> your operation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have fun!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Ed W0YK
>>>
>>> Don AA4AU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: rttydigital@groups.io <mailto:rttydigital@groups.io> <
>> rttydigital@groups.io <mailto:rttydigital@groups.io> > On Behalf Of Dick-
>> K9OM via groups.io
>>> Sent: 01 December, 2021 10:33
>>> To: rttydigital@groups.io <mailto:rttydigital@groups.io>
>>> Subject: [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp Practice Sessions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any practice sessions planned for this weekends FT RoundUp?
>>>
>>> Thanks & 73, Dick- K9OM
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:21:45 +0000
> From: Hans Brakob <kzerohb@gmail.com>
> To: Christian Schneider <prickler.schneider@t-online.de>,
> "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
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> Chris, it?s way more important than that.
>
> Interpol is needed. And on site detectives at all our stations.
>
>
>
> 73, de Hans, K?HB
> ?Just a Boy and his Radio??
> ________________________________
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com@contesting.com> on
> behalf of Christian Schneider <prickler.schneider@t-online.de>
> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 4:33:41 AM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>
>> From the sideline:
> Do will still speak about a hobby or are we close to bring in FBI and
> the likes for spot fraud investigations?
> 73, Chris DL8MBS
>
>> Am 04.12.2021 um 22:26 schrieb Martin, LU5DX:
>> How does the ARRL validate the authenticity of the data uploaded to LoTW?
>> Same method could be applied here.
>> The network should only allow trafic from users who have completed KYC, and
>> authenticate with either, certificates SSH keys, 2FA, etc.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>
>> El s?b., 4 dic. 2021 13:34, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> escribi?:
>>
>>> Let's put things in perspective. Multi-billion dollar corporations can't
>>> stop Rachel from Cardholder Services. How are we going to stop this?
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:28:22 +0000
> From: Hans Brakob <kzerohb@gmail.com>
> To: Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>, Pete Smith N4ZR
> <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> Cc: Tim Duffy <k3lr@k3lr.com>, reflector cq-contest
> <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
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> And if you do catch her, what will you do? Take away her birthday?
>
> 73, de Hans, K?HB
> ?Just a Boy and his Radio??
> ________________________________
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com@contesting.com> on
> behalf of Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 12:28:38 PM
> To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> Cc: Tim Duffy <k3lr@k3lr.com>; reflector cq-contest
> <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>
> This problem cannot be ?solved? without adding some level of authentication
> to the spotting system. Right now anyone can spot anything using any call.
>
> The WW Committee lacks subpoena power so it may not be able to ever identify
> the rogue spotter.
>
> K5ZD
>
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Sorry, Tim, but I think a lot of us have a legitimate interest in seeing
>> this solved, and being patted on the hand and told to sit down and be quiet
>> doesn't go over well with me. I got a status report from K1AR, which is all
>> I was looking for.
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>> web server
>> at<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.reversebeacon.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=7lCLI4Og98QlyiE%2BVraPpQsePSwljzRiI6P75%2BYnRSw%3D&reserved=0>.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>>>> On 12/3/2021 9:18 PM, Tim Duffy wrote:
>>> Hello Pete
>>>
>>> What makes you think that nothing is being done? Do not worry.
>>>
>>> Be assured that the CQWW committee has this and many other issues well in
>>> hand
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Tim K3LR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com@contesting.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Pete Smith N4ZR
>>> Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 10:13 AM
>>> To: reflector cq-contest
>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>>>
>>> I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of
>>> spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly traced
>>> to a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month
>>> earlier (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand,
>>> with reliable reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>>
>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with
>>> impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate
>>> rule against self-spotting.
>>>
>>> To refresh memories:
>>>
>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>
>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>> Includes
>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>
>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP
>>> 217.61.58.23.
>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes. There
>>> could
>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't
>>> include
>>> IP addresses.
>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2FSelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xoqcCu7sSackHgyh1syNhol3nhuS%2BNrP3LMGtxCeDbo%3D&reserved=0
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F27-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=99VqvStINvHlxk2M3puppARkDzzB3ZKMZvZZff6XdlM%3D&reserved=0
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F28-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=MiiuQfN1wUu2nTTJxZYiIeta2OYIhEdx%2FWLJ9LcjbPU%3D&reserved=0
>>>
>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:16:56 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jimk8mr@aol.com
> To: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>,
> "qsoparty@groups.io" <qsoparty@groups.io>, "nccc-blue@groups.io"
> <nccc-blue@groups.io>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] W0BH & XYL in the News
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>
> I just caught a very nice article in the Washington Post about W0BH's XYL
> Lorna (who has been known to do some driving duty for Bob's mobile contest
> efforts) who has been working at a project aimed at helping restore the
> Kansas prairie.?
> There are a few mentions of Bob. No mention of him growing beverages, though
> there is a photo of Bob thinking about where a few of them ought to go.
>
> Kansas?s prairie is rapidly shrinking. Its future depends on private
> landowners like Lorna Harder. - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> 73? -? Jim? K8MR
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 17:30:37 -0500
> From: Charles Gallo <charlie@thegallos.com>
> To: reflector cq-contest <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <09D721F7-F2DE-4517-8717-E4528475EDCF@thegallos.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> And what, exactly prevents people from running an unauthorized spotting
> network not controlled by ?the authorities?
>
> --
> 73 de KG2V
> Charlie
>
>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 3:08 AM, Martin, LU5DX <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar> wrote:
>>
>> ?How does the ARRL validate the authenticity of the data uploaded to LoTW?
>> Same method could be applied here.
>> The network should only allow trafic from users who have completed KYC, and
>> authenticate with either, certificates SSH keys, 2FA, etc.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>
>> El s?b., 4 dic. 2021 13:34, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> escribi?:
>>
>>> Let's put things in perspective. Multi-billion dollar corporations can't
>>> stop Rachel from Cardholder Services. How are we going to stop this?
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This problem cannot be ?solved? without adding some level of
>>>> authentication to the spotting system. Right now anyone can spot anything
>>>> using any call.
>>>>
>>>> The WW Committee lacks subpoena power so it may not be able to ever
>>>> identify the rogue spotter.
>>>>
>>>> K5ZD
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Sorry, Tim, but I think a lot of us have a legitimate interest in
>>>> seeing this solved, and being patted on the hand and told to sit down and
>>>> be quiet doesn't go over well with me. I got a status report from K1AR,
>>>> which is all I was looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>>>> web server at<
>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.reversebeacon.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=7lCLI4Og98QlyiE%2BVraPpQsePSwljzRiI6P75%2BYnRSw%3D&reserved=0
>>>>> .
>>>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/3/2021 9:18 PM, Tim Duffy wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes you think that nothing is being done? Do not worry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be assured that the CQWW committee has this and many other issues well
>>>> in hand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> Tim K3LR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+k3lr=
>>>> k3lr.com@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Pete Smith N4ZR
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 10:13 AM
>>>>>> To: reflector cq-contest
>>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of
>>>>>> spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly
>>> traced
>>>>>> to a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month
>>>>>> earlier (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand,
>>>>>> with reliable reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with
>>>>>> impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate
>>>>>> rule against self-spotting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To refresh memories:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>>>>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>>>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>>>>> Includes
>>>>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>>>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP
>>>> 217.61.58.23.
>>>>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes.
>>> There
>>>> could
>>>>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't
>>>> include
>>>>>> IP addresses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2FSelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xoqcCu7sSackHgyh1syNhol3nhuS%2BNrP3LMGtxCeDbo%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F27-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=99VqvStINvHlxk2M3puppARkDzzB3ZKMZvZZff6XdlM%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F28-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=MiiuQfN1wUu2nTTJxZYiIeta2OYIhEdx%2FWLJ9LcjbPU%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>>>>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:34:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jimk8mr@aol.com
> To: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] W0BH & XYL in the News
> Message-ID: <58397058.2942745.1638743648058@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> The reflector did not like the link to the article.?
> Let's try again:
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2021/11/30/kansas-shrinking-prairie/
>
>
>
> 73? -? Jim? ?K8MR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K8MR via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>; qsoparty@groups.io
> <qsoparty@groups.io>; nccc-blue@groups.io <nccc-blue@groups.io>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2021 5:16 pm
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] W0BH & XYL in the News
>
> I just caught a very nice article in the Washington Post about W0BH's XYL
> Lorna (who has been known to do some driving duty for Bob's mobile contest
> efforts) who has been working at a project aimed at helping restore the
> Kansas prairie.?
> There are a few mentions of Bob. No mention of him growing beverages, though
> there is a photo of Bob thinking about where a few of them ought to go.
>
> Kansas?s prairie is rapidly shrinking. Its future depends on private
> landowners like Lorna Harder. - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> 73? -? Jim? K8MR
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:39:59 -0600
> From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle@me.com>
> To: reflector cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <9E2F7EB4-C197-419A-A878-5E58A3FC28CA@me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Isn?t that the way it is supposed to be? Remember, the spotting system was
> created so that hams could alert other hams as to the availability of DX or
> other ?special? stations. We contesters discovered that it was an effective
> way to do the same during contests. It should not be difficult for
> individuals to spot stations for their fellow club members or others.
>
> In the years since it was created, we have put it to other uses, and greatly
> subverted it (or enhanced it depending on your perspective) by sending RBN
> spots into it and perhaps other information. As contesters, it is not ?ours?
> to change so that it won?t be useable for its original (and majority) use. It
> might be time for us to create a parallel system with required credentials
> and heavy authentication in order to post spots, but I suspect that will lead
> to a lot of complaints about club members not being able to spot the fellow
> members because they don?t have permission from the contests ?gods?.
>
> Or perhaps the real solution is to redefine things so that self-spotting is
> legal, or find some other solution so that it really is not big issue.
> Because of RBN I wonder if this is really a major problem on CW. At some
> point we will have an SSB solution that makes self-spotting just as much a
> non-issue there as on the digital modes (of which CW is one).
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> This problem cannot be ?solved? without adding some level of authentication
>> to the spotting system. Right now anyone can spot anything using any call.
>>
>> The WW Committee lacks subpoena power so it may not be able to ever identify
>> the rogue spotter.
>>
>> K5ZD
>>
>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Sorry, Tim, but I think a lot of us have a legitimate interest in seeing
>>> this solved, and being patted on the hand and told to sit down and be quiet
>>> doesn't go over well with me. I got a status report from K1AR, which is
>>> all I was looking for.
>>>
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>> web server
>>> at<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.reversebeacon.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=7lCLI4Og98QlyiE%2BVraPpQsePSwljzRiI6P75%2BYnRSw%3D&reserved=0>.
>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>>
>>>> On 12/3/2021 9:18 PM, Tim Duffy wrote:
>>>> Hello Pete
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think that nothing is being done? Do not worry.
>>>>
>>>> Be assured that the CQWW committee has this and many other issues well in
>>>> hand
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Tim K3LR
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com@contesting.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Pete Smith N4ZR
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 10:13 AM
>>>> To: reflector cq-contest
>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>>>>
>>>> I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of
>>>> spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly traced
>>>> to a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month
>>>> earlier (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand,
>>>> with reliable reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>>>
>>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with
>>>> impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate
>>>> rule against self-spotting.
>>>>
>>>> To refresh memories:
>>>>
>>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>>
>>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>>> Includes
>>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>>
>>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP
>>>> 217.61.58.23.
>>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes. There
>>>> could
>>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't
>>>> include
>>>> IP addresses.
>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2FSelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xoqcCu7sSackHgyh1syNhol3nhuS%2BNrP3LMGtxCeDbo%3D&reserved=0
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F27-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=99VqvStINvHlxk2M3puppARkDzzB3ZKMZvZZff6XdlM%3D&reserved=0
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F28-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=MiiuQfN1wUu2nTTJxZYiIeta2OYIhEdx%2FWLJ9LcjbPU%3D&reserved=0
>>>>
>>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>>
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 19:17:20 -0500
> From: Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
> To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> Cc: reflector cq-contest <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <2BBBEDB5-D254-41BE-950C-54995E5A7902@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> ?I have no idea how any manual internet spots are of any value whatsoever on
> CW. If you call CQ you are instantly spotted by every skimmer in the world
> who detects your signal. You are essentially ?self spotting? if you call CQ.
>
>
> How much perceived benefit is imagined for any number of internet spots, real
> or otherwise as compared to maybe 10,000 real spots created by the simple
> task of pressing F1 throughout a contest?
>
> Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>
>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of
>> spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly traced to
>> a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month earlier
>> (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand, with reliable
>> reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>
>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with
>> impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate rule
>> against self-spotting.
>>
>> To refresh memories:
>>
>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>
>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>> Includes
>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>
>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP 217.61.58.23.
>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes. There could
>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't include
>> IP addresses.
>>
>> https://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/SelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip
>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/27-Nov-2021.zip
>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/28-Nov-2021.zip
>>
>> Lee VE7CC"
>>
>> --
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:43:23 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID:
> <3308b447-cdad-9abc-90d7-a6d9595fe7e2@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>> On 12/5/2021 2:39 PM, Jack Brindle via CQ-Contest wrote:
>> Isn?t that the way it is supposed to be? Remember, the spotting system was
>> created so that hams could alert other hams as to the availability of DX or
>> other ?special? stations. We contesters discovered that it was an effective
>> way to do the same during contests.
>
> I wasn't active at the time, but I've been told on good authority that
> the spotting network was developed BY the contesting community, not the
> DX community.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:26:37 -0500
> From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Raw Scores Now On-Line -- CQ WW CW
> Message-ID: <aa013ddd-c26d-adea-a728-75676bfa7934@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Nicely done, indeed.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 12/5/2021 4:10 PM, John Dorr wrote:
>> The raw scores for the 2021 CQ WW CW contest are now online.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://cqww.com/raw.htm?mode=cw
>>
>>
>>
>> My thanks to the CQWW Contest Committee members responsible for getting
>> this done in less than a week after the contest ended!
>>
>>
>> 73, John, K1AR
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:36:55 -0500
> From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <2e94a62c-67b8-5650-a291-64cc86d8f76e@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Does nobody remember, just a few years ago, that the CQWW Committee
> dispatched observers to physically look over the shoulders of
> top-scoring ops.? Fortunately, once was enough.? Also, let's not
> overstate the problem.? RBN spots are not affected (at least not so
> far), and on CW they account for over 99 percent of total spots.
>
> What we need, particularly on SSB, is either the unmasking of the
> perpetrator - if it's just one - or implementation of IP-based blocking
> of spoofed spots as soon as they are detected.? I've been told that AR
> Custer V6 nodes don't record the IPs of spot sources, which might
> require a little piece of middleware to log the IPs and block spots from
> questionable IPs.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 12/5/2021 4:21 PM, Hans Brakob wrote:
>> Chris, it?s way more important than that.
>>
>> Interpol is needed. And on site detectives at all our stations.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K?HB
>> ?Just a Boy and his Radio??
>> ________________________________
>> From: CQ-Contest<cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com@contesting.com> on
>> behalf of Christian Schneider<prickler.schneider@t-online.de>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 4:33:41 AM
>> To:cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>>
>>> From the sideline:
>> Do will still speak about a hobby or are we close to bring in FBI and
>> the likes for spot fraud investigations?
>> 73, Chris DL8MBS
>>
>>> Am 04.12.2021 um 22:26 schrieb Martin, LU5DX:
>>> How does the ARRL validate the authenticity of the data uploaded to LoTW?
>>> Same method could be applied here.
>>> The network should only allow trafic from users who have completed KYC, and
>>> authenticate with either, certificates SSH keys, 2FA, etc.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>>
>>> El s?b., 4 dic. 2021 13:34, Barry W2UP<w2up.co@gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>
>>>> Let's put things in perspective. Multi-billion dollar corporations can't
>>>> stop Rachel from Cardholder Services. How are we going to stop this?
>>>>
>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM Randy Thompson<k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
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>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 03:18:35 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
> To: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <1723879630.6195334.1638760715797@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> First and last comment on the issue:
> I don't like the spoofed spots any more than the next ham.??
> But you do all realize that the discord that this discussion has generated is
> exactly the type of disruption that the miscreant(s) were hoping for?
> The Contest Committee is aware of the problem.? Committee members have stated
> that no one's entry will be penalized by the spoofed spots.? That should be
> the end of it.
> The nature of the spotting network means that this type of disruptive
> behavior is possible... and no doubt, once the miscreants get wind of the
> current fru-frau, will happen again.
> So either we institute a massive, unpopular overhaul of the entire system...
> which will only make it more difficult for the miscreants, I'm sure, sad to
> say... or we learn to live with it.? The same way we live with carriers,
> tuner-uppers, the-net-is-always-on-this-frequency-every-day-even-though-it
> won't-start-for another-12-hours, and so forth.? We recognize that these are
> the efforts of miscreants who for whatever reason wish to disrupt our
> contests, ignore them, and move on.
> Let's not tie ourselves up in knots over this.
> 73, ron w3wn
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:27:35 -0600
> From: Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck@gmail.com>
> To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
> Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID:
> <CAOk0j18jwBdS1xCSm-WSCM2arT-bPD5m29KWPs2K8R8bZxSkEQ@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I liked it better when the FBI was going to look into it.
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:24 PM Ron Notarius W3WN via CQ-Contest <
> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>
>> First and last comment on the issue:
>> I don't like the spoofed spots any more than the next ham.
>> But you do all realize that the discord that this discussion has generated
>> is exactly the type of disruption that the miscreant(s) were hoping for?
>> The Contest Committee is aware of the problem. Committee members have
>> stated that no one's entry will be penalized by the spoofed spots. That
>> should be the end of it.
>> The nature of the spotting network means that this type of disruptive
>> behavior is possible... and no doubt, once the miscreants get wind of the
>> current fru-frau, will happen again.
>> So either we institute a massive, unpopular overhaul of the entire
>> system... which will only make it more difficult for the miscreants, I'm
>> sure, sad to say... or we learn to live with it. The same way we live with
>> carriers, tuner-uppers,
>> the-net-is-always-on-this-frequency-every-day-even-though-it
>> won't-start-for another-12-hours, and so forth. We recognize that these
>> are the efforts of miscreants who for whatever reason wish to disrupt our
>> contests, ignore them, and move on.
>> Let's not tie ourselves up in knots over this.
>> 73, ron w3wn
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:44:46 -0600
> From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle@me.com>
> To: Brown Jim <k9yc@arrl.net>
> Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <A2091408-8A20-4296-B125-AA131F043222@me.com>
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>
> I _was_ there, very active in the creation of packet radio and its uses.
> There is a reason the software system was named ?DX Cluster?.
> We carried a lot of DX Cluster packets on the GRAPES 56K network between 1985
> and 1990.
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 6:43 PM, Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/5/2021 2:39 PM, Jack Brindle via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>> Isn?t that the way it is supposed to be? Remember, the spotting system was
>>> created so that hams could alert other hams as to the availability of DX or
>>> other ?special? stations. We contesters discovered that it was an
>>> effective way to do the same during contests.
>>
>> I wasn't active at the time, but I've been told on good authority that the
>> spotting network was developed BY the contesting community, not the DX
>> community.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 06:02:00 -0500
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com>
> To: Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
> Cc: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>, reflector cq-contest
> <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID:
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>
> A goodly number of users out there have skimmer spots turned off and
> only rely on "human" spots.
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:22 PM Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea how any manual internet spots are of any value whatsoever
>> on CW. If you call CQ you are instantly spotted by every skimmer in the
>> world who detects your signal. You are essentially ?self spotting? if you
>> call CQ.
>>
>> How much perceived benefit is imagined for any number of internet spots,
>> real or otherwise as compared to maybe 10,000 real spots created by the
>> simple task of pressing F1 throughout a contest?
>>
>> Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of
>> spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly traced to
>> a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month earlier
>> (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand, with reliable
>> reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>>
>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with
>> impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate rule
>> against self-spotting.
>>>
>>> To refresh memories:
>>>
>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>
>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>> Includes
>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>
>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP
>> 217.61.58.23.
>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes. There
>> could
>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't
>> include
>>> IP addresses.
>>>
>>> https://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/SelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip
>>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/27-Nov-2021.zip
>>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/28-Nov-2021.zip
>>>
>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:23:33 -0500
> From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <dbbe8d1a-b991-d904-81a1-45c99c4d38b0@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I think it is fair to say that both were involved pretty much from the
> start.? PVRC was an early and active participant
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 12/5/2021 7:43 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On 12/5/2021 2:39 PM, Jack Brindle via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>> Isn?t that the way it is supposed to be? Remember, the spotting
>>> system was created so that hams could alert other hams as to the
>>> availability of DX or other ?special?? stations. We contesters
>>> discovered that it was an effective way to do the same during contests.
>>
>> I wasn't active at the time, but I've been told on good authority that
>> the spotting network was developed BY the contesting community, not
>> the DX community.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> _______________________________________________
>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
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>
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:21:35 -0500
> From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> To: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com>, Stan Stockton
> <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
> Cc: reflector cq-contest <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <0dd8ecc7-250e-14e9-4c0e-4c564186fd78@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Really?? for CW?? Then they are forgoing 99 percent of spots.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 12/6/2021 6:02 AM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
>> A goodly number of users out there have skimmer spots turned off and
>> only?rely on "human" spots.
>>
>> 73 Rich NN3W
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:22 PM Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea how any manual internet spots are of any value
>> whatsoever on CW.? If you call CQ you are instantly spotted by
>> every skimmer in the world who detects your signal.? You are
>> essentially ?self spotting? if you call CQ.
>>
>> How much perceived benefit is imagined for any number of internet
>> spots, real or otherwise as compared to maybe 10,000 real spots
>> created by the simple task of pressing F1 throughout a contest?
>>
>> Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR
>> <pete.n4zr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's
>> report of spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all
>> seemingly traced to a single IP in Italy.? After the first time
>> this happened, a month earlier (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the
>> committee had it in hand, with reliable reps in Italy pursuing the
>> answer.? Since then, nothing.
>>>
>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of
>> thing with impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce
>> the appropriate rule against self-spotting.
>>>
>>> To refresh memories:
>>>
>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>
>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018? non skimmer spots.
>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of? 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>> Includes
>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>
>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP
>> 217.61.58.23.
>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster
>> nodes.? There could
>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that
>> doesn't include
>>> IP addresses.
>>>
>>> https://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/SelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip
>>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/27-Nov-2021.zip
>>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/28-Nov-2021.zip
>>>
>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
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