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RE: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues

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Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
From: "Dan Metcalf" <dan.metcalf@wbsysnet.com>
Reply-to: Karlnet Mailing List <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:17:21 -0500
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I just purchased 3 of these new kn50's..... I hope they work


> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> On Behalf Of Bob Hrbek
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:03 PM
> To: Norm Young; Karlnet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
> 
> What UBICOM devices are available?
> 
> that sounds like a WAY better option though....I hate the KN-50's
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norm Young" <lists@applegatebroadband.net>
> To: <bradlists@mnns.com>; "Karlnet Mailing List"
<karlnet@wispnotes.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
> 
> 
> > Fresh from the field (yesterday afternoon) with the new firmware
load.
> > (v1.10-00-101315, Hermes II, KN-50s)  The situation is a customer
with
> not
> > great S/N ratio...right around 14dB on CH1, about 5dB on CH11.
However
> it
> > should work on CH1.   Problem is that if you put the radio on CH1 it
> sees
> > nothing, but if you let it auto select a channel it goes to CH11!  I
> tried
> > it with two radios that I got back as RMA's to rectify the packet
loss
> > KN-50s.  Both behaved the same way.  The radios now seem to support
13
> > channels, but I'm pretty sure they don't work on at least CH1.   The
CPE
> is
> > a 19dB panel/enclosure PoE at 24vdc.
> >
> > I'm at a loss, and am going to RMA the two KN-50 CPEs for Ubicom
devices
> > that do work, even if the signal and noise readings are off.
> >
> > Norm
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brad Gass" <bradlists@mnns.com>
> > To: "Karlnet Mailing List" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:57 PM
> > Subject: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
> >
> >
> > OK, attempting to get things squared away in my head here.
> >
> > Anyone (Karlnet) - please feel free to confirm/discuss/debunk the
points
> > below, I'm trying my best to get this straight in my head before
> > purchasing any equipment here.
> >
> > 1) There exists at least two "Karlnet Lite" hardware platforms - the
> > Karlnet designed and produced KN-50, and another platform similar to
it.
> > Both use the Ubicom CPU however.
> >
> > 2) There (possibly) exists two basic versions of the "Karlnet Lite"
> > software load - one supports Prism radios, one supports
Hermes/Hermes
> > II/Ruby radios.
> >
> > 3) The problems being reported with the KN-50 relate to the use of
> > Hermes/Hermes II/Ruby based radios (Orinoco/Agere/Others) and the
> firmware
> > loaded on the card itself.  Due to flash space issues on the KN-50,
no
> > tertiary firmware is uploaded to the card on initialization (unlike
> other
> > TC software products/loads).
> >
> > 4) There exists a newer revision of the firmware for the KN-50's
that
> > addresses the packet loss issue, and is being shipped with new
units.
> >
> > 5) Prism radios do not properly "remotely" report signal quality /
stats
> > with any TC software product or Prism FW load.
> >
> > 6) Any issues with running WEP on the KN-50's that "work"?
> >
> > Even at the risk of appearing like a doofus and continuing to beat a
> dead
> > horse, I'd really like to pin this down.  Karlnet has been strangely
> quiet
> > on this issue, and I'm trying to zero-in on the technical issues
here so
> I
> > can avoid them altogether, and/or help others out with the info as
well.
> >
> > A couple questions (some general) I have are:
> >
> > 1) Will Karlnet release software updates to the KN-50?
<OBSERVATION> It
> > seems really odd to me that Karlnet expends an *incredible* amount
of
> time
> > and effort protecting their code, and seemingly (on the surface
anyway)
> a
> > lot less time getting some real basic problems resolved that affect
the
> > overall saleability of the product, hence reducing income.  Seems
oddly
> > counter-intuitive and counter-productive.  I know protecting the
> software
> > is important, but you couldn't have possibly anticipated zero issues
> with
> > a new product.  New products need firmware updates.  Firmware
updates
> need
> > to be user installable.  Surely this was discussed before product
> launch?
> > We've been hearing about upcoming upgrades for KN-50's for awhile
now -
> is
> > that going to be a reality soon, as in days or weeks? </OBSERVATION>
> >
> > 2) Will the TC software ever be able to properly report, or
extract/coax
> > Prism radios into reporting wireless quality stats?  This is less of
an
> > issue, but it seems to be a longstanding one that just keeps getting
> > brushed aside.
> >
> > 3) Is the KN-50 compatible with Prism radios as-is?  Or is it
crafted
> for
> > Hermes/Hermes II/Ruby radios only?
> >
> > Anything I missed here?  Karlnet - comments?
> >
> > Like I said before, I love the Karlnet gear I have now, and want to
> deploy
> > more - real soon actually.  But, I refuse to deploy anything that
has
> > publically known bugs without real-life effective workarounds or
deploy
> a
> > solution that will cause me nothing but headaches with promises of
> future
> > firmware upgrades that will "fix" it - and they never come.  Been
there,
> > done that (anyone ever used Ariel dial gear?  I sincerely hope not.)
> >
> > And, in the upcoming deployment, cost dictates that for it to be
Karlnet
> > based, it's got to be a KN-50 (or similar) based solution.
Otherwise, I
> > will have to consider other options.
> >
> >
> > Brad
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