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RE: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues

To: "'Norm Young'" <lists@applegatebroadband.net>,"'Karlnet Mailing List'" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
From: "Dan Metcalf" <dan.metcalf@wbsysnet.com>
Reply-to: Karlnet Mailing List <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:40:48 -0500
List-post: <mailto:karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Did you test on the bench? Is it possible that there is a noise issue on
ch#1?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> On Behalf Of Norm Young
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:36 AM
> To: Karlnet Mailing List; Dan Metcalf
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
> 
> Dan, they might.  After talking to MapleNet support (Randy), I'm
wondering
> if I got two duds (unlikely) or that I'm doing something wrong.  (I've
> been
> setting these things up for many moons now, however.)  Randy says they
> work
> on the bench on CH1 just fine with the new firmware loads...   So,
I'll
> give
> it another go.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Norm
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Metcalf" <dan.metcalf@wbsysnet.com>
> To: "'Karlnet Mailing List'" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:17 PM
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
> 
> 
> > I just purchased 3 of these new kn50's..... I hope they work
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Bob Hrbek
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:03 PM
> > > To: Norm Young; Karlnet Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
> > >
> > > What UBICOM devices are available?
> > >
> > > that sounds like a WAY better option though....I hate the KN-50's
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Norm Young" <lists@applegatebroadband.net>
> > > To: <bradlists@mnns.com>; "Karlnet Mailing List"
> > <karlnet@wispnotes.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:48 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
> > >
> > >
> > > > Fresh from the field (yesterday afternoon) with the new firmware
> > load.
> > > > (v1.10-00-101315, Hermes II, KN-50s)  The situation is a
customer
> > with
> > > not
> > > > great S/N ratio...right around 14dB on CH1, about 5dB on CH11.
> > However
> > > it
> > > > should work on CH1.   Problem is that if you put the radio on
CH1 it
> > > sees
> > > > nothing, but if you let it auto select a channel it goes to
CH11!  I
> > > tried
> > > > it with two radios that I got back as RMA's to rectify the
packet
> > loss
> > > > KN-50s.  Both behaved the same way.  The radios now seem to
support
> > 13
> > > > channels, but I'm pretty sure they don't work on at least CH1.
The
> > CPE
> > > is
> > > > a 19dB panel/enclosure PoE at 24vdc.
> > > >
> > > > I'm at a loss, and am going to RMA the two KN-50 CPEs for Ubicom
> > devices
> > > > that do work, even if the signal and noise readings are off.
> > > >
> > > > Norm
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Brad Gass" <bradlists@mnns.com>
> > > > To: "Karlnet Mailing List" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:57 PM
> > > > Subject: [Karlnet] Clarification on KN-50 FW Issues
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, attempting to get things squared away in my head here.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone (Karlnet) - please feel free to confirm/discuss/debunk
the
> > points
> > > > below, I'm trying my best to get this straight in my head before
> > > > purchasing any equipment here.
> > > >
> > > > 1) There exists at least two "Karlnet Lite" hardware platforms -
the
> > > > Karlnet designed and produced KN-50, and another platform
similar to
> > it.
> > > > Both use the Ubicom CPU however.
> > > >
> > > > 2) There (possibly) exists two basic versions of the "Karlnet
Lite"
> > > > software load - one supports Prism radios, one supports
> > Hermes/Hermes
> > > > II/Ruby radios.
> > > >
> > > > 3) The problems being reported with the KN-50 relate to the use
of
> > > > Hermes/Hermes II/Ruby based radios (Orinoco/Agere/Others) and
the
> > > firmware
> > > > loaded on the card itself.  Due to flash space issues on the
KN-50,
> > no
> > > > tertiary firmware is uploaded to the card on initialization
(unlike
> > > other
> > > > TC software products/loads).
> > > >
> > > > 4) There exists a newer revision of the firmware for the KN-50's
> > that
> > > > addresses the packet loss issue, and is being shipped with new
> > units.
> > > >
> > > > 5) Prism radios do not properly "remotely" report signal quality
/
> > stats
> > > > with any TC software product or Prism FW load.
> > > >
> > > > 6) Any issues with running WEP on the KN-50's that "work"?
> > > >
> > > > Even at the risk of appearing like a doofus and continuing to
beat a
> > > dead
> > > > horse, I'd really like to pin this down.  Karlnet has been
strangely
> > > quiet
> > > > on this issue, and I'm trying to zero-in on the technical issues
> > here so
> > > I
> > > > can avoid them altogether, and/or help others out with the info
as
> > well.
> > > >
> > > > A couple questions (some general) I have are:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Will Karlnet release software updates to the KN-50?
> > <OBSERVATION> It
> > > > seems really odd to me that Karlnet expends an *incredible*
amount
> > of
> > > time
> > > > and effort protecting their code, and seemingly (on the surface
> > anyway)
> > > a
> > > > lot less time getting some real basic problems resolved that
affect
> > the
> > > > overall saleability of the product, hence reducing income.
Seems
> > oddly
> > > > counter-intuitive and counter-productive.  I know protecting the
> > > software
> > > > is important, but you couldn't have possibly anticipated zero
issues
> > > with
> > > > a new product.  New products need firmware updates.  Firmware
> > updates
> > > need
> > > > to be user installable.  Surely this was discussed before
product
> > > launch?
> > > > We've been hearing about upcoming upgrades for KN-50's for
awhile
> > now -
> > > is
> > > > that going to be a reality soon, as in days or weeks?
</OBSERVATION>
> > > >
> > > > 2) Will the TC software ever be able to properly report, or
> > extract/coax
> > > > Prism radios into reporting wireless quality stats?  This is
less of
> > an
> > > > issue, but it seems to be a longstanding one that just keeps
getting
> > > > brushed aside.
> > > >
> > > > 3) Is the KN-50 compatible with Prism radios as-is?  Or is it
> > crafted
> > > for
> > > > Hermes/Hermes II/Ruby radios only?
> > > >
> > > > Anything I missed here?  Karlnet - comments?
> > > >
> > > > Like I said before, I love the Karlnet gear I have now, and want
to
> > > deploy
> > > > more - real soon actually.  But, I refuse to deploy anything
that
> > has
> > > > publically known bugs without real-life effective workarounds or
> > deploy
> > > a
> > > > solution that will cause me nothing but headaches with promises
of
> > > future
> > > > firmware upgrades that will "fix" it - and they never come.
Been
> > there,
> > > > done that (anyone ever used Ariel dial gear?  I sincerely hope
not.)
> > > >
> > > > And, in the upcoming deployment, cost dictates that for it to be
> > Karlnet
> > > > based, it's got to be a KN-50 (or similar) based solution.
> > Otherwise, I
> > > > will have to consider other options.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brad
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