Jayson,
See the pic and tell me if im getting it right now.
Only thing I can think of is that TC will link but not pass data if the
community strings (system access) are not matching. The current builds
only support 1 sting for the entire unit. If that is the case...and you
are not using encryption hope that none of your clients can see both
bases.
Regards,
Martin Madsen
> We're not trying to link Base 1 to Base 2 here. They're already linked
> through our very-large Motorola Canopy backbone. We simply want
> redundancy on the Satellite by having it have two links to the Internet
> (Base 1 primary, Base 2 failover).
>
> We set the Base 2 to Ch 1, ID 1 and did the same on the Sat - now it
> links, but does not communicate.
>
> Regards,
> Jayson A. Baker
> Peak Internet Solutions
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of
> martin@belairinternet.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:37 PM
> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
>
> Well Jayson,
>
> All I can say is that if you dont appriciate the help you get then i
> have nothing for you. All the CRAP I was giving you was years of
> experience in running a successful WISP using Karlnet. If you wanna run
> your setup the way you do, thats fine with me.
>
> BTW: read http://www.wep802.com/knet_TC_01.htm and see why your current
> setup DOES NOT WORK, and why i suggested 4200.
>
> Martin
>
>> All that talk, and yet - I don't see how any of it applies to our
>> situation.
>>
>> We have two 4400 bases, and one 4300 satellite we want to link to both
>> bases. I don't know where all this backhaul, 4200, etc. crap came
>> from...
>>
>> Our 4300 will only link with one 4400 - but both bases are very within
>> range, good signal to both, all running 4.45.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jayson A. Baker
>> Peak Internet Solutions
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of
>> martin@belairinternet.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:30 PM
>> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
>> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
>>
>> Hi Jayson,
>>
>>
>> I suggest you change your setup so u have 2 cards in the bases, use 1
>> interface on each to link back to a central base (The 4400 has the
>> ability to act as a satellite on either interface). This requires you
>> to change your 4200 to a 4400 and purchase 2 more cards. But it is
>> worth it!
>>
>> When you use a 4200 as backhaul you are not considering the push/pull
>> ratio. I assume you are running a WISP (haven't checked your website).
>> But I'm sure you have seen a greater download than upload.
>>
>> In TC-mode the base has the control, it can send when ever it pleases,
>> this means that the access to media is determined by the base (do a
>> test: ping a client when connected to the base Ethernet, then do the
>> same test from the clients Ethernet. If you have just a few customers
>> on the base you will see the ping from base to client be much lower
>> than from client to base).
>>
>> If someone starts a download on one of your base station, the data
>> will have to travel from your Internet connect to the 4200 here it is
>> buffered until the base polls it, then it is buffered in the base
>> until the base polls the client that requested the data. This is a
>> VERY inefficient setup.
>>
>> If you instead replace the 4200 with a 4400 and add a card to each of
>> the remote bases, then the data will travel as follows. Internet
>> connect to central base were it is send on to the client base stations
>> with virtually no delay. In the remote base it is send on to the
>> client that requested the data, again with virtually no delay.
>>
>> There are other gains to this setup. The TC base has about 3Mbit/s to
>> share between clients, if you get your backhaul links off the base you
>> double your possible transfer rate, because the customer serving
>> interface does not have to waste timeslots getting the data in the
>> first place. Furthermore you lower your latency a lot.
>>
>>
>> A couple of things, to keep in mind. Don't feel tempted to put clients
>> other than the remote bases on the central base because it WILL NOT
>> assign more time slots to the remote bases than to any other customer,
>> which means all customers linked to either remote base would be
>> sharing the same bandwidth as 1 customer linked directly to the
>> central base.
>>
>> Also you might consider using TC-nonpolling on the central base to
>> further lower your latency. The last suggestion depends on the overall
>> load of your network. You also said you were not over the limit (64
>> clients) on the bases, are you anywhere close to this limit? If you
>> are there are a lot of considerations regarding broadcast traffic to
>> address.
>>
>> Hopes this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Martin Madsen
>>
>> PS: if you are not in my area (don't like competition :)), we offer
>> consulting for a nominal fee. You can call my office @ 818 380 8170 to
>> discuss further. We have over 1100 customers on TC networks in a
>> varity of setups.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Jayson,
>>>
>>> Are you sure that everything is on different network
>>> IDs? Perhaps TC is getting confused about what to
>>> connect to? Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> --- "Jayson A. Baker" <jbaker@peakinet.net> wrote:
>>>> AP-1000 is "Base 1" (i.e. slot 1 on Sat).
>>>> KN-205 is "Base 2" (i.e. slot 2 on Sat).
>>>>
>>>> Both Base's have one card, slot 1, ISP Base, up to
>>>> 64 sat, with very few
>>>> sat's connected (i.e. not over 64 limit).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jayson A. Baker
>>>> Peak Internet Solutions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>>>> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of martin@belairinternet.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:30 AM
>>>> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One
>>>> Base?
>>>>
>>>> Which is base one and 2? does the sat AP-1000 have 2
>>>> incomming links??
>>>>
>>>> Please be more specific.
>>>>
>>>> Martin Madsen
>>>>
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Have two separate ISP Base's - one is an AP-1000,
>>>> one is a KN-205, both
>>>> > running 4400 software (up to 64 satellites). One
>>>> is on channel 1, the
>>>> > other channel 11.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Then we have a satellite, 4300 software, AP-1000.
>>>> One dish to Base 1,
>>>> > one dish to Base 2.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Satellite links up with Base 1, always has, just
>>>> fine. But will not
>>>> > stay linked to Base 2. It was linking for a brief
>>>> period after being
>>>> > rebooted, then dropping, but now doesn't link at
>>>> all.
>>>> >
>>>> > It is not a signal problem - we've changed them to
>>>> 802.11b and mobile
>>>> > router, verified that they link, etc. and all is
>>>> good there.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Swapped radios (YDI Sapphire, Lucent Silver,
>>>> Orinoco Silver) - no
>>>> > difference.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Any ideas?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> >
>>>> > Jayson A. Baker
>>>> >
>>>> > Peak Internet Solutions
>>>> >
>>>> > Phone: (719) 686-2540
>>>> >
>>>> > Fax: (719) 686-1864
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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