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RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?

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Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
From: "Jayson A. Baker" <jbaker@peakinet.net>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:53:26 -0600
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Will have to do tomorrow... g'nite.  :-)

Regards,
Jayson A. Baker
Peak Internet Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
On Behalf Of martin@belairinternet.com
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:23 PM
To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?

Send me a copy of the conf. file from the bases and the sat. Ill take a
look at it.

Martin


> Yup
>
> Regards,
> Jayson A. Baker
> Peak Internet Solutions
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of
> martin@belairinternet.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:19 PM
> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
>
> Can you do a linktest from base2 to sat and is it passing frames?
>
> Martin
>
>
>> That it all correct.  They match, no encryption.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jayson A. Baker
>> Peak Internet Solutions
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of
>> martin@belairinternet.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:10 PM
>> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
>> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
>>
>> Jayson,
>>
>> See the pic and tell me if im getting it right now.
>>
>> Only thing I can think of is that TC will link but not pass data if
>> the community strings (system access) are not matching. The current
>> builds only support 1 sting for the entire unit. If that is the
>> case...and you are not using encryption hope that none of your clients
>> can see both bases.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Martin Madsen
>>
>>> We're not trying to link Base 1 to Base 2 here.  They're already
>>> linked through our very-large Motorola Canopy backbone.  We simply
>>> want redundancy on the Satellite by having it have two links to the
>>> Internet (Base 1 primary, Base 2 failover).
>>>
>>> We set the Base 2 to Ch 1, ID 1 and did the same on the Sat - now it
>>> links, but does not communicate.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jayson A. Baker
>>> Peak Internet Solutions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>>> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of
>>> martin@belairinternet.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:37 PM
>>> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
>>> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
>>>
>>> Well Jayson,
>>>
>>> All I can say is that if you dont appriciate the help you get then i
>>> have nothing for you. All the CRAP I was giving you was years of
>>> experience in running a successful WISP using Karlnet. If you wanna
>>> run your setup the way you do, thats fine with me.
>>>
>>> BTW: read http://www.wep802.com/knet_TC_01.htm and see why your
>>> current setup DOES NOT WORK, and why i suggested 4200.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>> All that talk, and yet - I don't see how any of it applies to our
>>>> situation.
>>>>
>>>> We have two 4400 bases, and one 4300 satellite we want to link to
>>>> both bases.  I don't know where all this backhaul, 4200, etc. crap
>>>> came from...
>>>>
>>>> Our 4300 will only link with one 4400 - but both bases are very
>>>> within range, good signal to both, all running 4.45.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jayson A. Baker
>>>> Peak Internet Solutions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>>>> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> martin@belairinternet.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:30 PM
>>>> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
>>>> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jayson,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suggest you change your setup so u have 2 cards in the bases, use
>>>> 1 interface on each to link back to a central base (The 4400 has the
>>>> ability to act as a satellite on either interface). This requires
>>>> you to change your 4200 to a 4400 and purchase 2 more cards. But it
>>>> is worth it!
>>>>
>>>> When you use a 4200 as backhaul you are not considering the
>>>> push/pull ratio. I assume you are running a WISP (haven't checked
>>>> your
>>>> website). But I'm sure you have seen a greater download than upload.
>>>>
>>>> In TC-mode the base has the control, it can send when ever it
>>>> pleases, this means that the access to media is determined by the
>>>> base (do a test: ping a client when connected to the base Ethernet,
>>>> then do the same test from the clients Ethernet. If you have just a
>>>> few customers on the base you will see the ping from base to client
>>>> be much lower than from client to base).
>>>>
>>>> If someone starts a download on one of your base station, the data
>>>> will have to travel from your Internet connect to the 4200 here it
>>>> is buffered until the base polls it, then it is buffered in the base
>>>> until the base polls the client that requested the data. This is a
>>>> VERY inefficient setup.
>>>>
>>>> If you instead replace the 4200 with a 4400 and add a card to each
>>>> of the remote bases, then the data will travel as follows. Internet
>>>> connect to central base were it is send on to the client base
>>>> stations with virtually no delay. In the remote base it is send on
>>>> to the client that requested the data, again with virtually no
>>>> delay.
>>>>
>>>> There are other gains to this setup. The TC base has about 3Mbit/s
>>>> to share between clients, if you get your backhaul links off the
>>>> base you double your possible transfer rate, because the customer
>>>> serving interface does not have to waste timeslots getting the data
>>>> in the first place. Furthermore you lower your latency a lot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A couple of things, to keep in mind. Don't feel tempted to put
>>>> clients other than the remote bases on the central base because it
>>>> WILL NOT assign more time slots to the remote bases than to any
>>>> other customer, which means all customers linked to either remote
>>>> base would be sharing the same bandwidth as 1 customer linked
>>>> directly to the central base.
>>>>
>>>> Also you might consider using TC-nonpolling on the central base to
>>>> further lower your latency. The last suggestion depends on the
>>>> overall load of your network. You also said you were not over the
>>>> limit (64 clients) on the bases, are you anywhere close to this
>>>> limit? If you are there are a lot of considerations regarding
>>>> broadcast traffic to address.
>>>>
>>>> Hopes this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Martin Madsen
>>>>
>>>> PS: if you are not in my area (don't like competition :)), we offer
>>>> consulting for a nominal fee. You can call my office @ 818 380 8170
>>>> to discuss further. We have over 1100 customers on TC networks in a
>>>> varity of setups.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jayson,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure that everything is on different network
>>>>> IDs? Perhaps TC is getting confused about what to
>>>>> connect to? Hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> --- "Jayson A. Baker" <jbaker@peakinet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> AP-1000 is "Base 1" (i.e. slot 1 on Sat).
>>>>>> KN-205 is "Base 2" (i.e. slot 2 on Sat).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both Base's have one card, slot 1, ISP Base, up to
>>>>>> 64 sat, with very few
>>>>>> sat's connected (i.e. not over 64 limit).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jayson A. Baker
>>>>>> Peak Internet Solutions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>>>>>> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of martin@belairinternet.com
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:30 AM
>>>>>> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One
>>>>>> Base?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is base one and 2? does the sat AP-1000 have 2
>>>>>> incomming links??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please be more specific.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin Madsen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Have two separate ISP Base's - one is an AP-1000,
>>>>>> one is a KN-205, both
>>>>>> > running 4400 software (up to 64 satellites).  One
>>>>>> is on channel 1, the
>>>>>> > other channel 11.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Then we have a satellite, 4300 software, AP-1000.
>>>>>> One dish to Base 1,
>>>>>> > one dish to Base 2.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Satellite links up with Base 1, always has, just
>>>>>> fine.  But will not
>>>>>> > stay linked to Base 2.  It was linking for a brief
>>>>>> period after being
>>>>>> > rebooted, then dropping, but now doesn't link at
>>>>>> all.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It is not a signal problem - we've changed them to
>>>>>> 802.11b and mobile
>>>>>> > router, verified that they link, etc. and all is
>>>>>> good there.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Swapped radios (YDI Sapphire, Lucent Silver,
>>>>>> Orinoco Silver) - no
>>>>>> > difference.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Any ideas?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Jayson A. Baker
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Peak Internet Solutions
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Phone: (719) 686-2540
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Fax: (719) 686-1864
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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