Yup
Regards,
Jayson A. Baker
Peak Internet Solutions
-----Original Message-----
From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
On Behalf Of martin@belairinternet.com
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:19 PM
To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
Can you do a linktest from base2 to sat and is it passing frames?
Martin
> That it all correct. They match, no encryption.
>
> Regards,
> Jayson A. Baker
> Peak Internet Solutions
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of
> martin@belairinternet.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:10 PM
> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
>
> Jayson,
>
> See the pic and tell me if im getting it right now.
>
> Only thing I can think of is that TC will link but not pass data if the
> community strings (system access) are not matching. The current builds
> only support 1 sting for the entire unit. If that is the case...and you
> are not using encryption hope that none of your clients can see both
> bases.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin Madsen
>
>> We're not trying to link Base 1 to Base 2 here. They're already
>> linked through our very-large Motorola Canopy backbone. We simply
>> want redundancy on the Satellite by having it have two links to the
>> Internet (Base 1 primary, Base 2 failover).
>>
>> We set the Base 2 to Ch 1, ID 1 and did the same on the Sat - now it
>> links, but does not communicate.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jayson A. Baker
>> Peak Internet Solutions
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of
>> martin@belairinternet.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:37 PM
>> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
>> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
>>
>> Well Jayson,
>>
>> All I can say is that if you dont appriciate the help you get then i
>> have nothing for you. All the CRAP I was giving you was years of
>> experience in running a successful WISP using Karlnet. If you wanna
>> run your setup the way you do, thats fine with me.
>>
>> BTW: read http://www.wep802.com/knet_TC_01.htm and see why your
>> current setup DOES NOT WORK, and why i suggested 4200.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>> All that talk, and yet - I don't see how any of it applies to our
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> We have two 4400 bases, and one 4300 satellite we want to link to
>>> both bases. I don't know where all this backhaul, 4200, etc. crap
>>> came from...
>>>
>>> Our 4300 will only link with one 4400 - but both bases are very
>>> within range, good signal to both, all running 4.45.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jayson A. Baker
>>> Peak Internet Solutions
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>>> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of
>>> martin@belairinternet.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:30 PM
>>> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
>>> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One Base?
>>>
>>> Hi Jayson,
>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest you change your setup so u have 2 cards in the bases, use 1
>>> interface on each to link back to a central base (The 4400 has the
>>> ability to act as a satellite on either interface). This requires you
>>> to change your 4200 to a 4400 and purchase 2 more cards. But it is
>>> worth it!
>>>
>>> When you use a 4200 as backhaul you are not considering the push/pull
>>> ratio. I assume you are running a WISP (haven't checked your
>>> website). But I'm sure you have seen a greater download than upload.
>>>
>>> In TC-mode the base has the control, it can send when ever it
>>> pleases, this means that the access to media is determined by the
>>> base (do a test: ping a client when connected to the base Ethernet,
>>> then do the same test from the clients Ethernet. If you have just a
>>> few customers on the base you will see the ping from base to client
>>> be much lower than from client to base).
>>>
>>> If someone starts a download on one of your base station, the data
>>> will have to travel from your Internet connect to the 4200 here it is
>>> buffered until the base polls it, then it is buffered in the base
>>> until the base polls the client that requested the data. This is a
>>> VERY inefficient setup.
>>>
>>> If you instead replace the 4200 with a 4400 and add a card to each of
>>> the remote bases, then the data will travel as follows. Internet
>>> connect to central base were it is send on to the client base
>>> stations with virtually no delay. In the remote base it is send on to
>>> the client that requested the data, again with virtually no delay.
>>>
>>> There are other gains to this setup. The TC base has about 3Mbit/s to
>>> share between clients, if you get your backhaul links off the base
>>> you double your possible transfer rate, because the customer serving
>>> interface does not have to waste timeslots getting the data in the
>>> first place. Furthermore you lower your latency a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> A couple of things, to keep in mind. Don't feel tempted to put
>>> clients other than the remote bases on the central base because it
>>> WILL NOT assign more time slots to the remote bases than to any other
>>> customer, which means all customers linked to either remote base
>>> would be sharing the same bandwidth as 1 customer linked directly to
>>> the central base.
>>>
>>> Also you might consider using TC-nonpolling on the central base to
>>> further lower your latency. The last suggestion depends on the
>>> overall load of your network. You also said you were not over the
>>> limit (64 clients) on the bases, are you anywhere close to this
>>> limit? If you are there are a lot of considerations regarding
>>> broadcast traffic to address.
>>>
>>> Hopes this helps.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Martin Madsen
>>>
>>> PS: if you are not in my area (don't like competition :)), we offer
>>> consulting for a nominal fee. You can call my office @ 818 380 8170
>>> to discuss further. We have over 1100 customers on TC networks in a
>>> varity of setups.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jayson,
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure that everything is on different network
>>>> IDs? Perhaps TC is getting confused about what to
>>>> connect to? Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> --- "Jayson A. Baker" <jbaker@peakinet.net> wrote:
>>>>> AP-1000 is "Base 1" (i.e. slot 1 on Sat).
>>>>> KN-205 is "Base 2" (i.e. slot 2 on Sat).
>>>>>
>>>>> Both Base's have one card, slot 1, ISP Base, up to
>>>>> 64 sat, with very few
>>>>> sat's connected (i.e. not over 64 limit).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jayson A. Baker
>>>>> Peak Internet Solutions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>>>>> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
>>>>> On Behalf Of martin@belairinternet.com
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:30 AM
>>>>> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Dual-Slot Sat - Only One
>>>>> Base?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is base one and 2? does the sat AP-1000 have 2
>>>>> incomming links??
>>>>>
>>>>> Please be more specific.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin Madsen
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Have two separate ISP Base's - one is an AP-1000,
>>>>> one is a KN-205, both
>>>>> > running 4400 software (up to 64 satellites). One
>>>>> is on channel 1, the
>>>>> > other channel 11.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Then we have a satellite, 4300 software, AP-1000.
>>>>> One dish to Base 1,
>>>>> > one dish to Base 2.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Satellite links up with Base 1, always has, just
>>>>> fine. But will not
>>>>> > stay linked to Base 2. It was linking for a brief
>>>>> period after being
>>>>> > rebooted, then dropping, but now doesn't link at
>>>>> all.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It is not a signal problem - we've changed them to
>>>>> 802.11b and mobile
>>>>> > router, verified that they link, etc. and all is
>>>>> good there.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Swapped radios (YDI Sapphire, Lucent Silver,
>>>>> Orinoco Silver) - no
>>>>> > difference.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Any ideas?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Jayson A. Baker
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Peak Internet Solutions
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Phone: (719) 686-2540
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Fax: (719) 686-1864
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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