Tom,
Thank you for your research and information. You have me convinced
My much lower BOG Beverage has a better signal to noise than my taller
Beverages in storm events. This aligns to your research.
73
Bruce-K1FZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
To: "Bruce" <k1fz@myfairpoint.net>; <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Covered /bare antennn wire
As you have said it is difficult to get a A-B test unless instant
switching or direct observation is available.
The purpose of my test was to see if p-static was caused by individual
charged particles as they hit the wire, or some other mechanism like
corona discharge into the charged air or charged cloud of particles.
My thought was if it was charged particles each making noise, the pitch or
frequency distribution would be at the rate of particle contact, and that
insulation should mute the effect by slowing rise time of charge transfer
from particles to the wire.
Clearly the noise was all from corona at sharp points.
This also agrees with the effects people with multiple antennas see, or
even two-way antenna on tall buildings or towers. The highest and most
protruding antenna has the first and worse noise. Grounded elements,
fiberglass housings, and other tricks make no difference at all. The only
thing that matters is streamers from the exact point of corona leakage.
We saw this when a repeater moved from side mount on a tower to a building
roof peak. The fiberglass Station Master was swapped for a grounded folded
dipole antenna, and both were equally useless in bad weather. The only
thing that improved p-static noise was using an antenna well below the
height of other sticks on the roof, but that didn't work out because of
severe pattern nulls. We could raise the antenna and watch the noise
increase, and at the same time actually hear the same sizzling
acoustically through our ears and see it at night from antenna tips.
Everyone with stacked monoband identical Yagis sees this on the top
antenna. The top antenna is always terrible in inclement weather, even
though the same precipitation strikes all antennas equally and the
antennas are all on the same tower.
This all, since it all always agrees, clearly means the noise has nothing
to do with static drain or insulated or bare conductors. It is all about
where the highest voltage gradient to space around the antenna is, and how
easy that point can "leak" (generate corona).
I was hoping for a test something like, side by side identical wires, one
insulated, and one un-insulated with voltage measuring devices at the
ends.
Also separated enough not to get Beverage coupling, and using real stormy
weather measuring.
Over the insulation breakdown voltage, one would expect them to be equal
anyway.
Leakage current to earth was identical in my spray tests. It has nothing
to do with insulation breakdown. It is more like the effect of a charged
plastic comb. The charge obviously distributed right through the
insulation. I suppose if the insulation was really thick the charge
migration would be pretty slow, but charging of the wire is not what makes
the noise we are concerned with. The noise comes from corona.
I've had insulated wire Beverages and bare wire Beverages since the 1960's
or 1970's, often at the same time as mixtures of wire. Neither is any
quieter for me for local storm static.
My bare wire Beverages here are dead quiet even while Yagi's are useless
in foul weather, unless the Beverage points at the towers or are near tall
trees.
73 Tom
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