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Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical vs Beam

To: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@yahoo.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Vertical vs Beam
From: "N7mal" <n7mal@citlink.net>
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:55:49 -0000
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I have been following this thread with great interest. I'm curious how many 
of the guys who have responded have ever built and/or used a 1/2 wave 
vertical,,, other than me.....
One guy said:""1/2 wave vertical won't show any gain over a quarter wave 
vertical unless it has a much larger
radial system"".... First of all a 1/2 wave vertical is a voltage fed 
antenna therefore it doesn't want/need or like a radial system. The current 
portion is 1/4 wave above the feedpoint. Because the 1/2 wave vertical is a 
1/2 wavelength it will automatically have gain over a 1/4 wave vertical.
There were several comments about the """"horrible/terrible"""" noise a 
vertical hears and they are useless for receiving. Those guys obviously 
weren't following my DXing activities this winter 75 meter DX season. 95% of 
the time my 1/4 vert outheard my 1/2 wave dipole, at 1/4 wave high. The only 
time the dipole heard better was when there was exclusively high angle 
propagation. The only guys, out west, who regularly beat me were the guys 
with multiple element yagi antennas and much much much higher power than my 
100w.

To 'sort-of' answer AA5JG's original question I will go heads up against any 
2 ele 40 meter yagi against a 40 meter 1/2 vertical at the 100w power level. 
It has been my '''on-the-air''' experience the 1/2 wave vertical will beat 
the 2 el yagi 90% of the time, working DX. John if you have extra money 
laying around there is a very good performing loaded 1/2 wave vertical 
antenna made by hy-gain. I used one for a couple of years, before it took a 
direct lightening hit. It was mounted 12 feet above the ground. You will 
work a lot of DX with it. You won't be the first guy through a DX pileup but 
you will be a long, long, way from the last guy using that antenna.
73

MAL
N7MAL
BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
http://www.n7mal.com
Everyone in the world is
entitled to be burdened
by my opinion

----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Geiger
To: towertalk@contesting.com ; dx-is@yahoogroups.com ; okdxa@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:39
Subject: [TowerTalk] Vertical vs Beam



I have a question for the group about experiences with different antennas:

I was looking at a recent issue of CQ at the local bookstore tonight (it 
wasn't the April issue) and in a column dealing with semi stealth antennas, 
they mentioned that a 3/8 or 1/2 vertical will show comparable performance 
to a 2 element yagi.  Is this true?  Will such a vertical really do as good 
as a 2 element beam?

Also, how would a roof mounted 1/4 wave vertical compare to a 2 element 
tribander at a low height-like 25 feet or so?

73s John AA5JG

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