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Re: [TowerTalk] measuring old coax, return loss ?

To: Ken WA8JXM <wa8jxm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] measuring old coax, return loss ?
From: "Dave ." <ktx85@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 01:23:20 +0000
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I have a aligent 8920a..it has been calibrated...I have the Aligent return loss 
adapter...two 6db attenuators
And a Huber Shuner power divider...and a 50ohm dummy load........I also have 
the RF Tools software for the Aligent..

So..is it better to measure with the 50ohm dummy termination.....OR a Short?  
And what is the difference in the readings shown?

I'm sure this is easy peasy for you..however we are eager to learn and can't 
wait to learn more

The videos on how to do this procedure are lacking ...very lacking......I was 
hoping that there would be some from Aligent..but none..

Thank you in advance.

Dave




-------- Original message --------
From: Ken WA8JXM <wa8jxm@gmail.com>
Date: 5/8/24 6:31 PM (GMT-06:00)
To:
Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] measuring old coax, return loss ?

IDK, is "return loss" measurement necessary?

I checked some old coax a few years ago, connected a dummy load to the far
end and used the power meter on my Palstasr tuner to measure the input
power, then moved it to the far end for a measurement. Very little
difference in readings so I assume it was still good.  Am I missing
something?

Ken WA8JXM

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:14 PM Wes Stewart via TowerTalk <
towertalk@contesting.com> wrote:

>  The "best" way depends on what equipment you have to make the
> measurements.  In my best case, I have a DG8SAQ Vector Network Analyzer
> (VNWA) that, with proper calibration will measure the through loss directly.
> My second best is, besides using the VNWA in the reflection mode, is to
> use a DG5MK FA-VA5 one-port Vector Antenna Analyzer.  Take two sets of
> data, one with the far end shorted and one with the far end open.  The use
> AC6LA's ZPlots program to extract the lost and velocity factor, if you care.
> The least accurate, but probably good enough in many cases is to use
> whatever device you have to measure return loss, but the line must be
> terminated in a very highly reflective load, i.e. short or open.  The coax
> loss is them 1/2 of the return loss in dB.  When measuring with a dummy
> load, you don't know what you're measuring, the load, the coax or the
> combination.  A short or open removes one variable.
> In all cases remember that loss and velocity factor (Vp) vary with
> frequency.
> Wes  N7WS
>
>     On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 09:43:14 AM MST, Jamie WW3S <
> ww3s@zoominternet.net> wrote:
>
>  What is a good way to test older coax? return loss? I am seeing 12,
> almost 13 db return loss into a dummy load, with about 55 ft of coax,
> good, acceptable or ?!?!?!?!
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