I don't know about that. I think it would be pretty hard to "game" at 20
percent. If you're out with a group and you still manage to make 80% of
your contacts with base stations, I say more power to you. You're operating
within the spirit of the rules at that point.
I honestly don't think it could be done though. I don't think any group
could come close to 80% base contacts in a contest. No amount of "washing"
the log will clear that up without deleting a huge number of contacts.
Those contacts would just be rover to rover contacts anyway.
I just looked at my log from January. I had a strange situation happen this
time. A high power rover happened to be at a grid convergence at the same
time I was. We were never close enough to see each other and didn't
coordinate contacts, but still managed 20 contacts between us. It was very
unusual and each of us were happy to have the extra Q's.
In the rest of the contest, I only had 5 other rover contacts. That's 25
contacts out of 227. I've never had more than 8 in the other contests.
I really think a limit of 20% would be generous, but we could even go
higher. As it is, N6NB's group is very close to 100%. Even if the limit
were 50%, that would put an effective end to the practice of focusing
inward. They would have to search for real contacts if they wanted to
submit logs as Classic or Limited Rover. That's really the point, isn't it?
Steve
K4GUN/R
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM, frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The 20 percent rule has issues. Some people would delete contacts to avoid
> the 20 percent rule and the other party would get busted on the log checker.
> But it could be tweeked.
>
> If the rule read that all contacts are logged and the rover will assign
> points and multipliers to a number of contacts no greater than 20 percent of
> his non rover contact count. It would be workable in the software or hand
> math when sending in a log.
>
> This also shows why these groups now hide their logs from public scrutiny
> via the ARRL committee structure.
>
> The uglyness of the matter is that WAYNE"S group is morally flawed when it
> comes to this issue. In my view he is taken his talents to a dark side. It
> is sad when you have something so fundamentally flawed that you have to
> create rules for one group's unreasonable action, even after these actions
> were directly addressed by the ARRL and a compromise was offered. The ARRL
> created a "cease fire" on this issue and Wayne figured a work around.
>
> He's kind of like the Iranians sending in the Palestinians and Lebanese to
> do their dirty work against Israel to irritate the US. When Isreal
> complains or does something Iran says Israelis are the bad guys.
>
> The ARRL has a flawed contest. They should not support it in its current
> fashion or they should fix it. We all pay dues to have an honest contest.
> We can not sit quiet because the ARRL may think there is no way to regulate
> Wayne.
>
> So I as a rover who does not put roving on a high priority any more because
> of Wayne's group Am willing to give up my rover to rover QSO's to eliminate
> the cancer that is on the rover rules. I am sorry if I am sugar coating this
> too much.
>
> I think a percentage system could be worked out. The failure with the last
> rule change is that they did not think about it skeptically in terms on how
> one man who is on their committee could stick his finger in the eyes of the
> majority of the committee. This is an ugly problem. If this was a town
> council he would be ran out for not respecting the wishes of the committee
> as a whole. Not for having a dissenting vote or set of ideals.
>
> History has shown this behavior before. Congress says no money for the
> Contras, and Ollie North does a work around on the behalf of the president.
> This is the same thing here. The VUAC and ARRL stated their intent and
> Wayne engineered a work around.
>
> Sorry I had to use political terms, but it's terms we can all relate too,
> even if Ollie is your hero.
>
> Like reporting crime and a meth epidemic, this controversy will go on until
> its fixed. It would be sad if I loose all my rover to rover QSOs, but at
> least it would make me want to play rover more.
>
> K3uhf
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