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Re: [VHFcontesting] VUAC proposal to ARRL

To: Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VUAC proposal to ARRL
From: Steve Clifford <k4gun.r@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:39:13 -0500
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What?  Do what you feel is right, but I'm seriously confused.  How does this
"discourage people who want to operate 7 bands..."?  I've often asked others
to post how may rover to rover contacts they have ever made and the answer
has always been pretty low unless they were with a group.

I even looked back at your last few efforts.  You've only submitted 2 logs
since 2006 so I realize the base of information isn't huge.  In 2006, you
had 525 QSOs and 366 of those were on 6 meters.  I'm sure you didn't hit the
50% mark for rover to rover contacts.  Only you would know if you made 30
contacts with any single other rover, but based on the distribution of
points, I would actually be surprised if you did.

Now... you had a pretty good score and placed 9th overall.  Had it not been
for the grid circlers, you would have placed 7th.  If you made more than 30
contacts with any single other rover, you would have been Unlimited and
placed higher (can't tell exactly, but you get the point... I hope).

Based on that, can you tell me exactly how these new proposed rules would
adversely affect you?  How do they drive you from the sport/hobby?  Is it
just that you're opposed to any change?  I can't see how anything would
change all that much for you.  If you're making that many contacts with a
single other rover, just submit as Unlimited.  Seems simple enough to me,
but then again, nobody has ever answered my question about why people are so
opposed to being in that category.

73 and good luck with your contesting future.

Steve
K4GUN/R
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com> wrote:

> Thanks for sharing Jon.
>
> All this proposal appears to do is discourage people who want to operate 7
> or more band rovers and work other rovers with that many bands.  Sure,
> it'll
> force the grid-circlers into the Unlimited category, but it will also sweep
> up the individual multi-band rovers and their friends too, unless they're
> careful not to make more than 30 contacts with another rover.
>
> You're basically creating a situation where it would BENEFIT a rover like
> me
> to become a circle-jerk, and to convince all the local rovers with lots of
> bands to do the same -- if we're going to be forced to compete head-to-head
> with the Californians, we might as well really COMPETE, instead of whining
> like babies.
>
> I sent a note to the multi-op guys that got me started that my gear's going
> up for sale.  Maybe someone can complain that the multi-op is using my free
> radios to make contacts instead of home-brewing them out of two toothpicks
> and a Dixie cup or something.  I don't care anymore.
>
> The Blue Angels are coming to town the weekend of the June contest this
> year, and my wife's never seen a military jet demonstration team in person.
> We'll be at the airport listening to the Sound of Freedom...
>
> Have fun in 2009.  I'm outta here.  Also unsubscribing to the list, and I
> really don't care to get off-list comments other than from friends.  You
> know who you are.
>
> You know what else I predict?  No matter what you guys do to the rules, the
> Californians will continue to dominate the rover scores.  They'll adapt and
> COMPETE and the same voices on the list will continue to whine and moan and
> do nothing to form their own teams or win.
>
> Meanwhile, you just lost a 7-band rover.  See ya.
>
> Got better things to do with my time than try to get through to people that
> this contest is about getting on the air on anything you can get your hands
> on above VHF.
>
> Thank you once again to the team at W0KVA for the great time.  I'll keep
> operating with you guys, but this rover rules changing every couple of
> years
> is ridiculous.
>
> Nate WY0X
>
>
>
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