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Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??
From: "Walter Miller, AJ6T" <aj6t@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:57:21 -0500
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On the other hand, regarding simultaneous transmissions on different bands, this ARRL June VHF Contest rule suggests that it is allowed:

*7.3.*Only one transmitted signal per band (6, 2, 1-1/4, etc) at any given time is permitted, regardless of mode; alternating CQs on two or more frequencies using the same band and mode is prohibited.

Is there a definitive answer on this issue?   I would prefer to be able to transmit simultaneously on multiple bands.  If you are banging away on 2m MSK144, why should you have to constrain yourself to only transmit on 6m in between the 2m MS TX sequences?

73, Walt, AJ6T (EM64)


On 6/13/2018 8:49 PM, Chet S wrote:
>From the June rules:

3.1. Single Operator: ... Only one transmitted signal is permitted at any
given time; alternating CQs on two or more frequencies using the same band
and mode is prohibited....

The way I read this:
Only 1 signal at a time.
So, alternating (dueling) CQs ok for different bands for example 6 and 2.
Simultaneous CQs on 6 and 2 or more not ok.
Alternating CQs for 2 or more different SSB freqs on one band not OK.
Alternating SSB and FT-8 on one band ok.

73
Chet, N8RA

-----Original Message-----
From: VHFcontesting <vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of
Keith Morehouse
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 8:51 PM
To: VHFcontesting@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??

Yes, in the ARRL VHF contests, it is legal to have multiple signals on the
air (at the same time) as long as they are on different bands.  When the
rules were changed (I think 2 years ago), I was against it and pointed out
now everyone can be a "multi-op" and that QRM would increase drastically,
mostly in high population areas.  That doesn't appear to have happened, or
at least nobody has noticed.

Possibly, that capability is beyond many stations, although I have worked
MSK144 skeds on 6 & 2 at the same time on the same sequence.  It takes some
getting used to, but it's not too much different then serious SO2R
operating.

-W9RM

Keith J Morehouse
via Moto G


On Wed, Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 PM Marshall-K5QE <k5qe@k5qe.com> wrote:

Hi again Alex....I am not sure that I am correct on that.  I would
suggest that someone research this carefully and report back to the
group.  Since we are a Multi-op, that particular rule does not apply here.

73 Marshall

On 6/12/2018 10:33 PM, Alex wrote:
Hi Marshall,

That's interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.

I do hope that there is a willingness by the software developers to
consider making changes for operating FT8 on the VHF bands. Signal
reports are mostly meaningless anyway IMHO.

Contest was good. I hope the same goes for you, too.

73,
--Alex KR1ST (FN21fk)


On Jun 12, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Marshall-K5QE <k5qe@k5qe.com
<mailto:k5qe@k5qe.com>> wrote:

     Hi Alex....I believe that it is now legal to have one signal on 6M
     and another one on 2M.  You just can't have two signals on the
     same band.

     I hope that you had a good contest....

     73 Marshall

     On 6/12/2018 7:32 AM, Alex wrote:
     I thought it was a lot better than in previous contests. Sure
     there were some folks not using the contest mode, but I'm just
     glad they are there at all and I'll switch modes and work them. I
     can't get upset over it.

     Now, there is something that can be done in the software. Have it
     check if it's a VHF contest weekend and have it only operate in
     contest mode on FT8 on the VHF bands on those weekends (or nights
     for the sprints). :-) Or only have it only operate in contest
     mode on VHF at all.

     I too ran SO2R with FT8 on 6 on one rig, and with the other radio
     on two meters looking for contacts, making sure I only had one tx
     signal at any time.

     73,
     --Alex KR1ST (FN21fk)

     These kind of gripes remind me of the

     On 2018-06-11 23:08, Joel Harrison wrote:
     As a Single Op, my observation is in line with Marshall's.

     I ran an SO2R set up on 6 meters with one radio dedicated to
     FT-8 on 50.313.

     73 Joel W5ZN
     _

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