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Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??

To: Sean Waite <waisean@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??
From: Scott Armstrong <aa5am@vntx.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:35:08 -0500
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I am in agreement with Marshall and Jay on the multiple simultaneous
signals allowed on different bands.
I also recall that prohibition changing a few years ago but cannot find any
documentation to that effect.


The current rules as listed on the ARRL website are ...

General Rules for Contests above 50 MHz  permits multiple siganls.

2.1. Single Operator: One person performs all transmitting, receiving,
spotting, and logging functions as well as equipment and antenna
adjustments. Only one transmitted signal per band  is permitted at any
given time; alternating CQs on two or more frequencies using the same band
and mode is prohibited. Non-contact-producing activities as described in
Rule 1.16 are not considered transmitted signals for the purpose of
applying this rule


June VHF rules and all other VHF and up contest rules  prohibit it

3.1. Single Operator: One person performs all transmitting, receiving,
spotting, and logging functions as well as equipment and antenna
adjustments. Only one transmitted signal is permitted at any given time;
alternating CQs on two or more frequencies using the same band and mode is
prohibited. Non-contact-producing activities as described in Rule 7.1 are
not considered transmitted signals for the purpose of applying this rule


The order of precedence  is that Contest specific rules takes precedence
over the General Rules for contest above 50 MHz which takes precedence over
the General rules for all contests.

So in this case the contest specific rules would  prohibit multiple
signals. It would seem to contradict what I recall from a few years ago and
doesn't really make much sense for the General rules for contest above 50
to allow it while all the contest specific rules disallow it.

Does anyone have a copy of the changes that were made a few years ago?  I
sort of think the rules need to be proofread and cleaned up if this is the
case.

-Scott AA5AM

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Sean Waite <waisean@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think probably the clearest way to get an answer on the legality of this
> is to just ask. Bart, any thoughts? Can a single op run SO2R, or beacon on
> microwaves while working 2 or 6?
>
> 73,
> Sean WA1TE
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:39 PM Alan Larson <wa6azp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Walt, AJ6T (EM64) writes:
> > > On the other hand, regarding simultaneous transmissions on different
> > > bands, this ARRL June VHF Contest rule suggests that it is allowed:
> > >
> > > *7.3.*Only one transmitted signal per band (6, 2, 1-1/4, etc) at any
> > > given time is permitted, regardless of mode; alternating CQs on two or
> > > more frequencies using the same band and mode is prohibited.
> > >
> > > Is there a definitive answer on this issue??? I would prefer to be able
> > > to transmit simultaneously on multiple bands.? If you are banging away
> > > on 2m MSK144, why should you have to constrain yourself to only
> transmit
> > > on 6m in between the 2m MS TX sequences?
> >
> > and Zack, W9SZ writes:
> > > A lot of people will beacon on a microwave band while liaising on 144
> or
> > > 432 (or even 1296). I figured there was nothing wrong with that.
> >
> >   These do not conflict.  3.1 describes single operator stations.  Single
> > operator rules prohibit more than one signal at a time.  That one
> operator
> > is expected to be operating one band.  If the station is a multioperator
> > effort, then it is reasonable to expect that different bands may be
> > active at the same time.
> >
> >   By this, one would see that having the computer CQing on one band while
> > the human is on another would be a violation of the rules - there is more
> > than one signal at a time.  The computer would be a second operator.
> >
> >   Thus, Zack is perfectly legit to beacon or auto-cq on one band while
> > operating on another, >>> if he was not entering as a single operator
> <<<.
> > Note the exception in rule 7.1 that would allow announcing his presence
> > (but apparently not CQing), even if a single operator.
> >
> >   For Walt, there is a definitive answer.  If you are single-operator,
> > you cannot do it.  If you are not a multi-op, you can.
> >
> >   Walt - I guess the EM64 explains why I haven't heard you on here in the
> > Bay area lately.
> >
> >         Alan
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