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Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??
From: RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net>
Reply-to: RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:38:04 +0000 (UTC)
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I downloaded the ARRL June VHF rules PDF for 2016, 2017, and 2018 (thanks to 
https://archive.org/ ). The rules did indeed change between 2016 and 2017. In 
2016 the following was written regarding single ops:


3.1. Single Operator: One person performs all transmitting, receiving, 
spotting, and logging functions as well as equipment and antenna adjustments. 
Only one transmitted signal per band is permitted at any given time.

(note that "per band" is in bold as this was part of the big rules changes to 
ARRL VHF contests where chat rooms/etc were also allowed).

In 2017/2018 the rules state:

3.1. Single Operator: One person performs all transmitting, receiving, 
spotting, and logging functions as well as equipment and antenna adjustments. 
Only one transmitted signal is permitted at any given time; alternating CQs on 
two or more frequencies using the same band and mode is prohibited.


Now "per band" has been removed. ARRL needs to clear this up!


Tor
N4OGW

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On Thu, 6/14/18, Chet S <chetsubaccount@snet.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??
 To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
 Date: Thursday, June 14, 2018, 7:09 AM
 
 Of course SO2R is fine for a
 single op as long as you do not transmit on
 both radios at the same time.
 A
 VHF contest, with its slower QSO rate, is a great way to
 learn SO2R
 
 Chet, N8RA
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: VHFcontesting <vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com>
 On Behalf Of Sean
 Waite
 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:53 PM
 To: Alan Larson <wa6azp@gmail.com>;
 Jahnke, Bart, W9JJ <w9jj@arrl.org>
 Cc: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
 Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and
 2M at the same time??
 
 I
 think probably the clearest way to get an answer on the
 legality of this
 is to just ask. Bart, any
 thoughts? Can a single op run SO2R, or beacon on
 microwaves while working 2 or 6?
 
 73,
 Sean
 WA1TE
 
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2018
 at 11:39 PM Alan Larson <wa6azp@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
 > Walt, AJ6T
 (EM64) writes:
 > > On the other hand,
 regarding simultaneous transmissions on different 
 > > bands, this ARRL June VHF Contest
 rule suggests that it is allowed:
 >
 >
 > > *7.3.*Only one transmitted
 signal per band (6, 2, 1-1/4, etc) at any 
 > > given time is permitted, regardless
 of mode; alternating CQs on two 
 > >
 or more frequencies using the same band and mode is
 prohibited.
 > >
 >
 > Is there a definitive answer on this issue??? I would
 prefer to be 
 > > able to transmit
 simultaneously on multiple bands.? If you are 
 > > banging away on 2m MSK144, why should
 you have to constrain yourself 
 > > to
 only transmit on 6m in between the 2m MS TX sequences?
 >
 > and Zack, W9SZ
 writes:
 > > A lot of people will
 beacon on a microwave band while liaising on 
 > > 144 or
 > > 432
 (or even 1296). I figured there was nothing wrong with
 that.
 >
 >   These do
 not conflict.  3.1 describes single operator stations. 
 
 > Single operator rules prohibit more
 than one signal at a time.  That 
 > one
 operator is expected to be operating one band.  If the
 station is 
 > a multioperator effort,
 then it is reasonable to expect that different 
 > bands may be active at the same time.
 >
 >   By this, one would
 see that having the computer CQing on one band 
 > while the human is on another would be a
 violation of the rules - 
 > there is more
 than one signal at a time.  The computer would be a
 second
 operator.
 >
 >   Thus, Zack is perfectly legit to beacon
 or auto-cq on one band while 
 > operating
 on another, >>> if he was not entering as a single
 operator <<<.
 > Note the
 exception in rule 7.1 that would allow announcing his 
 > presence (but apparently not CQing), even
 if a single operator.
 >
 >   For Walt, there is a definitive
 answer.  If you are single-operator, 
 >
 you cannot do it.  If you are not a multi-op, you can.
 >
 >   Walt - I guess the
 EM64 explains why I haven't heard you on here in 
 > the Bay area lately.
 >
 >         Alan
 >
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