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Subject: [Towertalk] Knots
From: k6uj@pacbell.net (Bob Harmon)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:55:38 -0800
O.K.  Half the time I tie a granny knot and redo into
a square knot, hi,hi.

tnx es 73,

Bob,
K6UJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Walker" <va3mw@rogers.com>
To: "Bob Harmon" <k6uj@pacbell.net>
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Towertalk] Knots


> Also know as a square knot.  Probably the one knot you use all the time.
>
> http://www.boatsafe.com/kids/square.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Harmon" <k6uj@pacbell.net>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Towertalk] Knots
>
>
> > What's a reef knot ? Couldn't find it on the web page.
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Walker" <va3mw@rogers.com>
> > To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 8:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Towertalk] Knots
> >
> >
> > > After 3 Worrell 1000's, lots of Keel boat racing over the past 20
years
> > (am
> > > I that old??), etc., I've also NEVER seen a bowline undo, unless it
was
> on
> > > very inexpensive nylon rope.  A half-hitch on the loose end prevented
> > that.
> > >
> > > Learn it, the reef knot, a clove hitch, and the sheet bed (see
> > > http://131.230.57.1/knots.htm) and you will be set for life.  Make
sure
> > you
> > > understand the role of each knot.  A figure 8 is also very handy to
> know.
> > >
> > > Mike VA3MW
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dale L Martin" <kg5u@hal-pc.org>
> > > To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 11:28 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Towertalk] Knots
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > To continue the sea stories subthread, I crewed on a Cal-40 racing
in
> > > > Galveston Bay and the Gulf of Mexico for about 15 years.  I don't
> recall
> > a
> > > > bowline ever working itself loose on our boat.  I don't even
remember
> > > anyone
> > > > checking before tacking.  When on a tack, the windward sheet (line)
is
> > > slack
> > > > and tension is off that bowline knot at the genoa clew while the
> leeward
> > > > sheet has the strain.
> > > >
> > > > Out in the Gulf, there were opportunities for being on one tack for
> > hours
> > > > and hours, even days (Galveston-Vera Cruz race).
> > > >
> > > > I think that if there was a concern about the bowline going loose
and
> > > > possibly letting go, it wouldn't have been used or we would have
done
> > > > something to preclude it.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe the conditions onboard weren't conducive to knot loosening.
> > > >
> > > > Under exactly what conditions will an unloaded bowline knot become
> > loose?
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > > dale, kg5u
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You're close.  The only problem with a bowline is that if it's
under
> > > > > no load, it tends to loosen.  You can make it more secure in
various
> > > > > ways.  I believe that it is one of the good knots that maintains
> more
> > > > > of the strength of the line.  OTOH, the figure-eight loop is
easily
> > > > > tied, even in the middle of the line and seems to stay tight, but
> > > > > loses more of the inherent line strength, and perhaps as the
obverse
> > > > > of the above, is hard to untie.  Many of us think a knot should be
> > > > > easily untied.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, I've seen figures that indicate an eye splice is actually
> > > > > stronger than the line, and a cunt splice is the absolute
strongest
> > > > > way of fastening two laid lines together.  But I still don't know
> how
> > > > > to make an eye splice in the braided lines I like.
> > > > >
> > > > > 73, doug
> > > >
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