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Re: [TowerTalk] Chicago Tribune news: Ham radio tower has the OKsignal

To: "Jim Lux" <jimlux@earthlink.net>, k8do@mailblocks.com,towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Chicago Tribune news: Ham radio tower has the OKsignal
From: kelly@thejohnsons.ws
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:10:39 -0800
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
Hams deserve to be protected, not because of their emergency communications, but
because our neighbors should not be able to tell us what to do with our property
except for health and safety issues.  They should be allowed to require 
"reasonable"
safety standards, but prohibiting towers...no.  If this is allowed, why not 
allow my
neighbor to dictate what color paint I can use, what type of architecture I can 
use,
what color draperies, etc.  It sounds like a planned development.  There are 
lots
of people that willingly move into planned developments with all of their 
ridiculous
rules.  Leave the rest to those of us that prefer freedom to neighborhood 
control!!!
If my neighbor wants to live in a cookie cutter neighborhood and wants to 
dictate
every aspect of his neighbors existence, then there are numerous planned 
developments
in which he can do so.  In fact, in this area it's nearly impossible to find
a home built in the last 30 years that doesn't have an anti-antenna CC&R and/or
an HOA.  For every "free" neighborhood, there are probably half a dozen
HOA controlled neighborhoods.  Trust me, people like that have a lot more places
(and nicer ones in most cases) to choose from.  Leave my neighborhood to 
those that prefer "personal property rights" to HOA control!!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lux" <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:49:30 -0700
To: <k8do@mailblocks.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Chicago Tribune news: Ham radio tower has the OKsignal

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dennis o'connor" <k8do@mailblocks.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:09 AM
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Chicago Tribune news: Ham radio tower has the OKsignal
> 
> 
> > Jim Lux: Certainly you make valid points about not hanging our hat on
> > just one hook - emergency services - when we do many other things...
> > But, your premise that state and local emergency communications are
> > eclipsing ham efforts does not hold for major disasters, such as the
> > recent hurricane devastated areas in the south... For days VHF and HF
> > ham stations were/are the back bone of emergency communications in
> > those areas...
> 
> Today... but in 20 years?  Disasters such as these, particularly in modern
> times when people have gotten used to having portable comm in the form of
> cellphones, point up the need for better official comm channels.
> 
> Certainly, adhoc amateur comm will always be there, but justifying a tower
> on that basis?
> 
> >
> > Another arena where ham radio is the only dependable link is maritime
> > mobile... Recent attacks by a  pirate boat (same boat description each
> > time)  upon private boats in the area south east of the Panama Canal
> > depended upon the Maritime Mobile Service Net for reporting and
> > disseminating the information to the boating community, which was done
> > in minutes, not the weeks to months that the formal governmental
> > services would take for such information to slowly grind it's way from
> > desk to desk, so that each bureaucrat could add his signature and get
> > his portion of the public credit...
> 
> >
> > Another arena where we did good was the shuttle disaster, where
> > recovery teams had to depend upon ham repeaters out in the boonies and
> > down in the canyons, for communication...
> 
> A need that has been recognized, and for which official comm designers are
> working on remedies (which will, in the usual fashion take forever).  Hams
> serve as a pathfinder and (free) demonstration of usefulness, just as for
> other advances in communications.
> Perhaps this is better as a demonstration of the "Advance of the radio art"?
> 
> And, of course, I doubt any of those shuttle recovery comms were on HF with
> tall towers?  We're back to the quid pro quo reason for allowing towers, and
> that's a slippery foundation to rest on.
> 
> >
> > Local emergency communication networks do function when we have minor
> > problems, snow storm, single river flooding, forest fire, etc., but
> > when the utility poles are tossed around like match sticks, the roads
> > impassable, bridges over on their side, houses collapsed, High tension
> > lines on the ground, municipal water plants dark and silent, sewage
> > treatment plants flooded, Ma Bell silent, and the brown stuff has hit
> > the fan, even in the 21st century Joe Ham with a portable radio is
> > still the first responder... Don't sell it short...
> 
> This, to me, says that rather than agitating for special treatment for a
> minority (us), we should be agitating for better comms for the masses (i.e.
> public service).
> 
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> 
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> Weather Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any 
> questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
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See: http://www.mscomputer.com  for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless Weather 
Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any questions 
and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.

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