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Re: [CQ-Contest] Encouraging Casual Participation in Contests

To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Encouraging Casual Participation in Contests
From: Adam Mercier <adam@kenbrio.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 09:02:55 -0500
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Taking your math at face value, let's assume it's $500 for the physical cards.  
That figure makes the $120 seem less of a big deal.  However....

It's not a question of total cost, but the distribution that becomes 
staggering.  How long have you been working on getting those cards? 5 years? 
10? 20?   When you gradually distribute the $500 across a significant span of 
time, it becomes more palatable.  That's how credit cards and banks operate.  
But if you balance that against a 1-time expense of $120, that $120 is much 
more painful.

My 2 cents...

Adam, KM7N 

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> On Apr 29, 2017, at 15:38, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I agree in principle that a quantity discount would be nice to have.
> Especially if you're submitting 1000 cards at $.12 each...  Namely $120
> 
> However, let's keep things in perspective.  If you have to request the
> physical 1000 cards from the domestic and DX stations, how much will it cost
> you to obtain them? 
> 
> Let's say 400 of those cards are from US stations or US managers.  So that's
> 400 letters sent at about $.49 each for first class postage... That's $196
> right there.  Plus cost of cards and envelopes.  And if you have an SASE in
> with each, that's $392 just for postage.  Easily can be another $100 for
> envelopes and cards.  So you're looking at about $500.  For the domestic 400
> cards, we haven't even gotten into the other 600 DX cards.
> 
> Suddenly, that $120 doesn't look too bad, does it?
> 
> 73, ron w3wn 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Parry
> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 9:37 AM
> To: lu5dx@lucg.com.ar; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Encouraging Casual Participation in Contests
> 
> I am a big supporter of LOTW and have used it extensively for award
> submission.  The WPX award is not one of them. I would like to use it for
> the WPX but the cost is not acceptable. If I were to apply 1000 Prefixes at
> $.12 per LOTW QSL, the cost is just too much. Using LOTW for some awards
> just doesn't work financially, nor is sending 1,000 QSLs in for checking.
> There needs to be a different method of applying for these awards that
> require a lot of QSLs such as WPX.
> 
> Bill W5VX
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Martin LU5DX
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:43 AM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Encouraging Casual Participation in Contests
> 
> Absolutely great idea.
> 
> TBH, LoTW should become the standard solution for issuing credits for other
> awards. National and local Clubs, Groups, could take advantage of it.
> 
> We've been talking about this type of solution with LU1FAM and LU5FF.
> 
> The ARRL could charge a small fee to those institutions using their LoTW
> service to validate the credits.
> 
> Win-Win solution!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Martin LU5DX
> 
> 
>> El 26/04/2017 a las 11:23 a.m., Pete Smith N4ZR escribió:
>> We all agree, I think, that casual participants are a critical part of 
>> the total workable population in contests. I spent the first 40 years 
>> of my contesting career working contests as a quick and relatively 
>> easy source of award credits, and I suspect a large majority of the 
>> stations in any contest are doing some variation on this.
>> 
>> There is a reasonably simple and straight-forward way to encourage 
>> more of this, potentially yielding more people for us to work.  We 
>> need interconnection between CQ and ARRL contest databases, so that 
>> any contact that is in both stations' log in a given contest can be 
>> claimed for ARRL and CQ award credit without going through the QSL 
>> card process.
>> 
>> I'm not underestimating the programming effort involved, I hope, but 
>> surely some combination of volunteer and professional staff 
>> involvement can get it done. It could start small - perhaps a pilot 
>> involving the CQWW open log database and DXCC. Imagine the value added 
>> to LOTW if it were the hub for this process, and the potential 
>> increase in DXCC fees. Surely, this is a win-win proposition.
>> 
>> 
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