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Re: [TenTec] K3 vs Orion One

To: <wn3vaw@verizon.net>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] K3 vs Orion One
From: Charles Harpole <k4vud@hotmail.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:10:24 +0000
List-post: <mailto:tentec@contesting.com>
Actually the facts are these...
 
I did not have lightning damage... the TT cust serv suggested that as an answer 
but it was
 
not the case.  I merely asked for suggestions if the problem I had was typical 
and thus they may
 
have a standard fix already in mind, or for other suggestions.  The response 
was a single 
 
sentence of no help and no promise of further investigation. I did not expect 
so little, but
 
would even  have taken a "we can not afford to answer questions about this 
product anymore"
 
if company and market forces had come to that.  I do not expect magic.
 
But the answer  was so simplistic and mis directed and BRIEF to be vy 
disappointing.  And, I was
 
working with a unit that had just returned from factory repair and had the same 
problem.
 
Where I may live is not a factor when making a simple query by email ..to be 
answered by cheap
 
email.  BTW, I really  like my ORION one.  Thanks for the chance to set this 
little record straight.
 
  73
Charles Harpole
 
 
k4vud@hotmail.com 
 
 
 
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 07:36:48 -0400> From: wn3vaw@verizon.net> To: 
> tentec@contesting.com> Subject: Re: [TenTec] K3 vs Orion One> > With all due 
> respect Charles, you're still upset that Ten-Tec wouldn't> repair or replace 
> a lightning-damaged rig with little or no inconvenience or> expense to you. 
> And some of your mass-emails to other lists about that have> conveniently not 
> mentioned that you are now living in Thailand not the US,> which puts a 
> futher level of complexity in any customer service issue.> > Further, I would 
> strongly disagree with your opinion of the Orion. Bill> W3WH was kind enough 
> to let me use his Orion (when he still had it) on many> occasions, and I 
> never ran into major difficulties with the rig -- and I> never saw the 
> manual. I will grant you that some of the menu controls are> not intuitive, 
> but I was still able to operate (quite succesfully) just> flying by the seat 
> of my pants.> > 73> > -----Original Message-----> From: 
> tentec-bounces@contesting.com> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]On 
> Behalf Of Charles Harpole> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:45 PM> To: 
> Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment> Subject: Re: [TenTec] K3 vs Orion One> > > > 
> I, too, have encountered vy poor response from TT customer "service." What> a 
> shame that their good> > products should be so poorly represented by their 
> public face. I certainly> hope that TT has another> > source of income other 
> than ham radio because they (1) do not know how to> sell their radios to 
> hams,> > and (2) have a customer service with terrible people skills.> > To 
> TT: (1) publish some b&w text ads to teach hams how to adjust and use> your 
> ORIONs.... these rigs> > are poor just of the box and if a user never 
> explores A LOT, he will> bad-mouth the radio, etc. The ORIONs are> > not your 
> father's receiver and are best operated vy different from earlier> 
> generations of ham radios.... users> > and potential customers MUST have this 
> info from the factory... some "Tech> Talks".... to get their radios> > to 
> perform to full abilities (good stuf on this topic in the manual is not> 
> enuf).> > (2) hire an otherwise retired loquacious ham to be the first answer 
> to ur> customer service phones and Internet.> > Tell the guy that his job is 
> to FIRST make the customer feel valued and> SECOND to promise to get answers 
> to> > the problem AND THEN GET BACK TO HIM FAST. Hams are unique customers 
> who> WANT TO TALK and a smart> > ham radio company provides that chance.... 
> warm fuzzy is the best start,> followed up with real hard answers.> > PLEASE 
> TT, we want u to succeed and put out these great products.... you> should 
> have already--with the ORION One--> > have been the rig of choice for the 
> majority of hams based on their> performance. You have to ask why that is not 
> true.Charles> Harpolek4vud@hotmail.com > From: k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com> 
> To:> tentec@contesting.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:29:19 -0700> Subject: 
> Re:> [TenTec] K3 vs Orion One> > On Tue, 13 May 2008 13:11:04 -0400, Dick 
> Green> WC1M wrote:> > >Elecraft is performing at a very high level thus far. 
> >> >Unfortunately, by not addressing many outstanding firmware > issues,> >I> 
> feel TT has basically abandoned a large group of loyal users.> > There is a> 
> HUGE difference between the two companies in user > support and online> 
> presence. The Elecraft list has hundreds of > posts each day, upper level> 
> Elecraft management (like the two > owners, one of whom is the chief> 
> engineer!) is always monitoring > it, and responds directly when needed.> 
> That list is separate from > the K3 beta list, which they also actively> 
> monitor and contribute > to. > > By contrast, TenTec's presence on> this list 
> is limited to posting > a list of used/demo gear once or twice a> month and 
> VERY occasional > responses by a salesman to the most outrageous> 
> misunderstandings > or negative comments about products. > > In other words,> 
> Elecraft respects their customers by actively > participating in the email> 
> lists, listening to the traffic, and > learning of their customers' needs> 
> and desires, while Ten Tec > seems to consider this list so trivial as to be> 
> unworthy of their > time. > > I find that quite sad. The late Al Kahn, K4FW,> 
> co-founder of Ten > Tec, and before that co-founder of Electro-Voice and> 
> strong > supporter of Heathkit and ARRL, has long been one of my heroes. > >> 
> 73,> > Jim Brown K9YC> > > _______________________________________________>> 
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