Indeed there is. But, on my Orion 2, even setting that to 100% results
in still hearing a relay operate on every dot and dash. The issue isn't
with implementing a delay or hold in keying the rig or external
amplifier, but rather with the relay noise. The relay we're hearing
does not appear to be related to keying the amplifier.
73, Floyd - K8AC
On 11/14/2011 7:51 AM, d.e.warnick@comcast.net wrote:
>
> On the Orion II:
>
> If you go to:
>
> MENUS , TX, there is an EXT T/T Delay1 (or Delay 2) and that
>
> "provides "hang time" for non-QSK linear amplifier"
>
>
>
> If you go to:
>
> MENUS, CW, There is a CW QSK Delay that "Allows the operator to slow the QSK
> operation in CW transmit. A higher value represents more transmit/receive
> delay between individual transmitgted CW characters. This delay control also
> controls the deelay of the QSK amplifier keying loops and the delay set for
> outputs at AMP KEY 1 and AMP KEY 2. The default value is 20%."
>
>
>
> The above is from my Orion II manual.
>
>
>
> The part that is a bit vague to me is the default of 20% in the CW menu. I
> should think that a delay of 0% would be true QSK, similar to my Omni VI+,
> but I have no way to measure it. I'm sure that John Henry can teoll us what
> value to set to have the same performance as the older Omni VI, and Corsair
> II had.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> WA3F
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Barry N1EU"<barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"<tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:17:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>
> Two relays?
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP<Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
>> That makes no sense at all.
>> One would think that it adjusts the hang time of the Linear's own relay, and
>> therefore the Orion's internal relay would have to stop clacking.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>> On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:08 AM
>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>
>> There IS an EXT T/R Delay setting in the TX Menu but it has no effect
>> on the keying relay clacking.
>>
>> Barry N1EU
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP<Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
>>> Guys, I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that there were TWO
>>> adjustments; one for the relay and one for the RX recovery. It's been over
>>> 5 years since I have owned an Orion, but I'm pretty certain it was that
>>> way. In any case, it would have to be one of the items on the TX menu.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:40 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>
>>> Correct Floyd, the CW delay makes the receiver audio quiet but does
>>> nothing for the relay clacking in both the Orion and Orion II.
>>>
>>> 73, Barry N1EU
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Floyd Sense<floyd@k8ac.net> wrote:
>>>> An interesting question. I wonder if the Orion and Orion 2 differ in
>>>> this respect. On my Orion 2, I can use the CW delay to achieve
>>>> semi-break-in, but I still hear the same relay clacking away. I
>>>> expected to hear the relay only at the beginning and end of a
>>>> transmission, but that's not the case - it still follows the keying,
>>>> although the receiver is properly muted for the delay set with the CW
>>>> delay function. So, maybe Toshimi's desire to eliminate the relay noise
>>>> is not satisfied this way.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Floyd - K8AC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/13/2011 5:56 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>>>>> Menus - CW - CW QSK Delay
>>>>>
>>>>> start with 25% and increase/decrease as necessary
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Barry N1EU
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP<Rick@dj0ip.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Toshimi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can adjust the delay of the TR relay.
>>>>>> If you select a delay, then it is effectively semi BK and no longer QSK.
>>>>>> This was added to the rig after the initial release so it probably was
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> in the manual.
>>>>>> Maybe someone who owns an Orion can jump in and tell you exactly how to
>>>>>> adjust it. I have forgotten.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> Rick, DJ0IP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
>>>>>> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Toshimi Horie
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:32 PM
>>>>>> To: tentec@contesting.com
>>>>>> Subject: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all. I am JE2UFF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This month, I got the Orion of used one from US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just start operation with it. I can checked user manual, but not found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So please tell me for everyone.
>>>>>> The Orion has semi break in mode? I have other rig. That's japanese one.
>>>>>> Normaly, japanese transceiver has two kind of break in operation mode.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> semi and full break in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Orion do the CW mode, each mores code can switch the relay. It is
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> noisy. Is this normal specs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it has semi break in mode then the relay can switch for start and
>>>>>> finish
>>>>>> of two times. Very quaiet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks all
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