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Re: [VHFcontesting] Are EME/MS digital QSOes reducing rovers contributio

To: Steve Stahl <ke7ihg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Are EME/MS digital QSOes reducing rovers contributions?
From: Mark Spencer <mark@alignedsolutions.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:04:54 -0700
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Yes I agree re spotting.  To be transparent at first I was a bit hesitant about 
the new rules but I now see the benefit.


  I have benefited from being spotted on more than one occasion.   Despite 
typically not taking advantage of the various on line info sources while roving 
/ operating portable, being spotted is nice.

As I expect to go further afield next year I suspect being  spotted will play a 
bigger role in making contacts.

I'm still not entirely sold on the digi modes for roving / portable use but 
will keep trying especially when other stations make the effort to run them.   
In particular I do see clear benefits in the meteor scatter modes.

I'm also going to put some more thought into how to get internet while roving / 
portable.   (Ie. using directional cellular antennas vs simply hoping my smart 
phone gets signal.   I've done this before in a non ham radio setting and have 
most of the bits and pieces I need, so I just need to add this to the project 
list and get it done.   It will be one more thing to setup and tear down 
though.) 


Best regards 
Mark S
VE7AFZ

> On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Steve Stahl <ke7ihg@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I traveled to DN02 this contest...had no phone or internet. Worked my ×@$ off 
> and spent a fair amount of money. 
> In the end I had 18 Q's....Would I have done better with spotting, yes I 
> think so.
> I'm not sure I'll travel to any remote grids again without access to the 
> world. 
> It was fun and a beautiful trip but also was frustrating.
> Very hard to justify that much treasure , both in sweat , time and money.
> 
> Like it or not I am good with spotting and I doubt that anyone who wants 
> mults, particularly rare ones would complain
> 
> Steve / KE7IHG
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015 11:50 AM, "Mark Spencer" <mark@alignedsolutions.com> wrote:
>> A few comments re this.
>> 
>> I've found that MS / long haul digital qso's are challenging to make while 
>> roving / portable especially if I don't have good Internet connectivity.  
>> Over 90 percent of the successful MS / long haul digi mode QSO's that I have 
>> made outside of contests would not have happened without constant access to 
>> the internet by both me and the other station.  These QSO's on average 
>> probably took 30 minutes or so to complete.
>> 
>> During the last contest I spent about an hour in total of my six and a half 
>> hours of prime operating time in a semi rare grid trying to work MS with no 
>> results.   About half this time was spent in an effort to work a station in 
>> a rare grid that prior to the contest had announced they were going to run 
>> on digi modes.   Deciding to run MS / digi modes was my choice though and on 
>> balance I'd probably do it again as I would have liked to work the rare 
>> grid, and I figured I had a reasonable chance of picking up at least one 
>> more grid in that hour, but things didn't work out that way.
>> 
>> (Between the 11am pst contest start time, and my desire to have a two hour 
>> tear down and packup process done before nightfall I had about 6 and a half 
>> hours to run the entire station.   I was able to keep the 2M station up 
>> until the very end.  Staying overnight is also apparently not allowed in 
>> that location.)
>> 
>> I doubt I will run MS or long haul digi modes in a future contest without a 
>> pre arranged sched on a frequency other than the customary calling 
>> frequencies, and preferably some form of near real time communications with 
>> the other station to confirm that they are looking for me.
>> 
>> In hindsight during the last contest I'm almost certain I would have picked 
>> up more grids and or bands by focusing on terrestrial ssb / CW for another 
>> hour, but hindsight is 20/20 and I wanted to work the rare grid more than I 
>> wanted to simply run up my score.
>> 
>> To answer the question though, In my case at least the answers is that yes, 
>> MS / digi efforts did in hindsight reduce my roving contribution.  I'll put 
>> more thought into running these modes or not in future contests.  All that 
>> being said I do like having the option to run these modes and I'm fine with 
>> the rules as they are.   I just need to put more thought into how I choose 
>> to run my station.
>> 
>> 73's Mark S
>> VE7AFZ
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
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