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Re: [Amps] confused reading amidon ferrite specs?

To: Dan Sawyer <dansawyer@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] confused reading amidon ferrite specs?
From: R@contesting.com;Measures <r@somis.org>
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:06:44 -0800
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On Mar 7, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Dan Sawyer wrote:

>  Should mix 67 support a 1.8 to 55 MHz 1200 watt transformer?

Yes, however the fly in the pie for mu=40 material is whether or not a 
winding that has sufficient L for 1.8MHz will not have too much C for 
55MHz.
>
>  On this topic:
>  ??? 1. What physical form should be used?
>  ??? 2. What is a reasonable turns on the 50 Ohm side (to start 
> design).

I think the generator end is the place to start from.
>
>  Dan
>
> R@contesting.com;Measures wrote:On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Jim Brown 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:56:08 -0800, R@contesting.com;Measures wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On an oscilloscope, using 100w of RF, I observed that mix #61 begins
>>>> to
>>>> distort the waveform at c. 13MHz.  Those who don't desire to 
>>>> generate
>>>> harmonics should probably follow the manufacturer's specs and not
>>>> operate 61 above 10MHz.
>>>>
>>> The distortion and losses will depend on many variables, including 
>>> the
>>> power level, the size of the core, and the number of turns.
>>>
>> Agreed.  Waveform distortion is the result of of a combination of too
>> many Webers and too much f.
>>
>>
>>> What were your
>>> test conditions (core size, turns, etc.)?
>>>
>> I don't remember the details, Jim, however, as I recall it was a 2.4"
>> mix-61, mu=125,  core for a 450-ohm 8170 grid terminator R.  Whereas
>> everything looked wonderful on  the 'scope at 1W, at 100W, it did not.
>> After I read Permag Pacific's tech specs on mix-61, it was apparent
>> that the seller didn't.  As a result of seeing the harmonic distortion
>> above 13MHz with 100W, I switched to mix-67 (mu=40, rated by mfg at
>> 80MHz max) and observed a clean sinewave at 29MHz.
>>
>>> Jim Brown K9YC
>>>
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Rich Measures, 805.386.3734, AG6K, www.somis.org

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