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Re: [CQ-Contest] Running ID

To: Albert Crespo <f5vhj@orange.fr>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Running ID
From: Maarten van Rossum <pd2r.maarten@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 21:59:47 +0100
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We are not located in some exotic place in the world and I do not know what
you guys consider "high" rates but I was running 240 Q's per hour and I ID
after almost every Q. Sometimes just by saying "P I 4 D X" instead of "Papa
India Four Delta Xray". Not IDing after I make a Q is extremely rare. It is
my experience that when I not ID after every QSO that it's hard to keep the
pile-up going. But agian, we are not rare DX.

It's easy to say that if a station does not ID regularly then one should
not work him but that will probably hamper your own score more then his!
If someone has a excessively wide signal that there's a good chance that he
will hear from the contest committee. Why? Because it effects other
competitors. To me, not IDing regularly also effects other competitors
and IMHO could be dealt with in a similar way as for
instance transmitting a excessively wide signal.

73, Maarten PD2R
(Operating @ PI4DX)

Op vrijdag 1 november 2013 schreef Albert Crespo (f5vhj@orange.fr):

>  This is amateur radio and how people want to operate and ID is their
> style.It maybe inefficient, rude, or self serving. If you do not like their
> operating in the contest, reward them by not working them.
> I ID  and give the call of the station I work 99% of the time. I have
> terrible rate compared to others. This is the way I like others to operate.
> I do not like to wait and listen to find out who is on frequency. I just
>  turn  the dial.
> Albert, TO5A, NH7A, 6W1RY, etc.
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Martin , LU5DX" <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar>
> To: "Bob Kupps" <n6bk@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: 01/11/2013 11:45:41
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Running ID
>
>> I totally agree with you Bob.
>> Last year during CQ WW DX CW, even though I was assisted, I had to wait up
>> to three minutes on an guy in zone 33 to send his call and confirm who I
>> contacted.
>> For other in zone 8, I had to wait 21 Qs before he IDed again.
>> This year I'll enter SOAB from CE3CT, so the pain will be even worse. Must
>> be frustrating to spend a minute or two waiting on someone to ID without
>> even knowing if he already is in your log or not.
>> Unless this is required by the rules, I believe this will continue.
>> There are lots of things to shorten:
>> ENN at a faster speed.
>> The zone exchange (which is obvious in most cases) also at a faster speed.
>> EE instead of TU
>> Test or TST at a faster speed.
>> etc.
>> Those thing, like it or not, don't hurt as much as not sending the
>> station's callsign for such long periods of time.
>>
>> I believe a reasonable ID ratio is 1:3 (ID:Qs)...1:4 tops. Depending on
>> the
>> QSO rate at which the running station is working. It should result in
>> folks
>> IDing once every 20-25 secs, no more than that.
>>
>> Vy 73.
>>
>> Martin, LU5DX
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Bob Kupps <n6bk@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>   It appears to me that many of the big rare contest stations are
>>> maximizing
>>>  their rates by never IDing as long as there are enough assisted guys
>>>  calling who already know who they are. This makes classic S&P
>>> particularly
>>>  agonizing and IMO all running stations should be required to ID at least
>>>  once every some number of Qs. I realize that assisted is a different
>>>  category, but the guys out there who don't play my computer vs yours
>>> will
>>>  continue to diminish in number if it's no fun...
>>>
>>>  73 HS0ZIA
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73, Maarten PD2R
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