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Re: [CQ-Contest] May you work yourself at a remote?

To: "'Art Boyars'" <artboyars@gmail.com>, "'CQ-Contest Reflector'" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] May you work yourself at a remote?
From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:19:52 -0500
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Whether or not it is technically possible, and whether or not the rules as
they currently stand would allow this...

If it were me, from a standpoint of my personal ethics, I would not condone
(let alone be part of, from either side) one team member remotely operating
VY1AAA from the computer/remote control system, while another member of the
'on site' team worked that station from another.

It would leave a bad taste in my mouth.  It would (to ME at least) seem too
easy a setup.

To me, it is the functional equivalent of, say, arranging for a friend in a
rare multiplier to "just happen" to be on or about a particular frequency at
a particular time.  Depending on the contest & contest rules, that might be
allowed, and if it's not, there might be a technical loophole to permit it.
But I wouldn't feel right about doing it.

(And in the above example, I'm not talking about, for example, asking a KL7
to keep their ears open in case they happen to hear me on 160.  A vague
request like that is OK.  I'm talking more on the lines of asking that same
KL7 station "if you just happen to be on 1850 SSB around 0400 Z, I might
just be calling CQ around then... "  That's getting specific enough to cross
the line.  IMHO)

No doubt, you will get differing opinions.  And I'm not going to say that
I'm right and the other opinions are wrong.  

I'm just saying, in the scenario you laid out above, I wouldn't do it or be
a part of it.  YMMV.  VWPBL(STn).

73, ron w3wn

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Art
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 5:05 PM
To: CQ-Contest Reflector
Subject: [CQ-Contest] May you work yourself at a remote?

I think I broached this subject before, but got no significant response.
Conversation with some of the other op's at a M-M this past weekend, and
seeing W1VE's 3830score post for ARRL DX CW prompts me try again.

Let's say I'm in Winnipeg for RAC Canada Day contest -- VE4VTR (me) and
VE4EA and a couple of other VE4 friends use VE4EA's station for a M-S

Let's say that VE4EA also realizes his hope of a concurrent remote
operation -- say, part time -- of VY1AAA.  We're all in the same room.

It sure would be easy for VE4VTR to know when/where to find VY1AAA. But
let's keep it honest.  'VTR will go after the YT mult only when it's
spotted, and 'AAA will not self-spot.

So, 'VTR sees the spot, pounces on it, and calls VY1AAA.  The path is poor,
and copy is difficult, but thanks to ESP (and maybe copying the transformer
hum, like I used to do with my ARC-5) they make the QSO.

Should that count?

What if the remote worked only VE4VTR.  Is that not allpowed?  (I did not
ask "unethical".  This question is about the rules as they now stand.)

What if I operate both the local station and the remote station myself for
the QSO?  Should that count?

73, Art K3KU
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