It seems that the rule from ARRL Field Day (yes, I know, but it has rules and
is listed on the Contest page) should apply:
6.1. A person may not contact for QSO credit any station from which they also
participate.
That would preclude an operator from contacting their own station from remote
stations, or at least require someone else to
be operating the remote station. I suspect this is really the intent being
discussed. It just does not seem right for a station to be able to
fabricate contacts with what is essentially themselves.
The HMO operations use a unique call for each operation. Thus an operator has
no opportunity to contact themselves. HMO
operation generally precludes a stint in a M/M station, which is the point, to
increase the number of stations entering scores
for a single club.
- Jack, W6FB
> On Feb 24, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The idea is NOT to make operating remote look bad. Quite the opposite.
>
> Operating remote is now a fact of every day life for many people. I just
> wanted to "push the upper limit" as it were to see what would happen with
> todays rules. If there is not currently a rule in place that covers this
> scenario, and we determine one is needed, it would need to cover all
> aspects of remote operation. Including the crazy ones I pointed out, as
> they CAN be done with todays technology.
>
> Before that discussion can start, we all need to have a clear understanding
> of what is even possible.
>
> Just trying to jump start the discussion.
>
> Tom - VE3CX
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Gerry Hull <gerry@yccc.org> wrote:
>
>> But, Tom, you could stay at home and participate as a member of the M/M
>> via remote.
>>
>> Everyone looks at the downside -- there are so many positive sides.
>>
>> W7RN has a huge station, but his ops live far away. Via remote, they can
>> now staff the station.
>>
>> Are contesters happy that the VY1AAA mult is available much more often in
>> contests? I'd say that is a universal YES!
>>
>> I would have been glad to let a single op do VY1AAA last weekend... but no
>> one came forward, and we wanted to put the mult on.
>> I don't even care if the score counts -- we just wanted to put the
>> multiplier on the air.
>>
>> During WRTC/IARU RadioSport, we did have six stations in the same room.
>> Did we work each other? You bet. Not by passing "in the room",
>> For example, I was operating PR1T, and I found a spot for SK3W, and called
>> in like anyone else. After the QSO, I did get a visual "thumbs up".
>> Nothing nefarious.
>>
>> Yes, six ops could sit in the same room and operate from all continents --
>> and it would be fine -- but it would not look good,
>> especially if each op worked the other on six bands!.
>>
>> You can think up lots of crazy scenarios to make remote look bad. But,
>> today, top contesters are operating remotes
>> with no particular advantage (In fact, it can be pretty darn challenging).
>>
>>
>> By using remote, we are not trying to "game" the system... We are
>> overcoming barriers to get on the air.
>>
>> The offer stands to anyone who is a good CW op (our preferred mode), and
>> has RemoteRig/Elecraft gear: We need to increase
>> our operator team for VY1AAA.. the more we have it on, the better.
>> Contact me if you are interested.
>>
>> VY1AAA will be on for NAQP RTTY this weekend, W1UE operating.
>> We will be on for ARRL DX SSB as well.
>>
>>
>> 73, Gerry W1VE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Art
>>>
>>> Lets step back a bit, and see what is *technically possible - today*.
>>>
>>> A person could operate from all 40 zones in the CQWW - in one sitting, by
>>> connecting to 40 different stations and operating remote.
>>>
>>>
>>> Six ops - sitting in one room - could operate from six different
>>> continents
>>> - at the same time. I think we can all see a bunch of red flags with
>>> this,
>>> but it is *technically* possible.
>>>
>>> A person could drive to a MM, and operate part of the contest. Drive
>>> home,
>>> and operate from home, using his own call.
>>>
>>>
>>> The one way to address this would be: a person can only operate with one
>>> call/contribute to one station for the duration of the contest.
>>>
>>> This way, if you are operating remote - you are committed to that
>>> operation
>>> - for the duration of the contest. New contest comes along - you are free
>>> to "move" to a different location.
>>>
>>> The downside is - drive to a MM, operate a few hours - you can't go home
>>> and operate...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just my two cents worth...
>>>
>>> Tom - VE3CX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I broached this subject before, but got no significant response.
>>>> Conversation with some of the other op's at a M-M this past weekend, and
>>>> seeing W1VE's 3830score post for ARRL DX CW prompts me try again.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say I'm in Winnipeg for RAC Canada Day contest -- VE4VTR (me) and
>>>> VE4EA and a couple of other VE4 friends use VE4EA's station for a M-S
>>>> effort.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say that VE4EA also realizes his hope of a concurrent remote
>>>> operation -- say, part time -- of VY1AAA. We're all in the same room.
>>>>
>>>> It sure would be easy for VE4VTR to know when/where to find VY1AAA. But
>>>> let's keep it honest. 'VTR will go after the YT mult only when it's
>>>> spotted, and 'AAA will not self-spot.
>>>>
>>>> So, 'VTR sees the spot, pounces on it, and calls VY1AAA. The path is
>>> poor,
>>>> and copy is difficult, but thanks to ESP (and maybe copying the
>>> transformer
>>>> hum, like I used to do with my ARC-5) they make the QSO.
>>>>
>>>> Should that count?
>>>>
>>>> What if the remote worked only VE4VTR. Is that not allpowed? (I did
>>> not
>>>> ask "unethical". This question is about the rules as they now stand.)
>>>>
>>>> What if I operate both the local station and the remote station myself
>>> for
>>>> the QSO? Should that count?
>>>>
>>>> 73, Art K3KU
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