Spirit of the contest
Plain and simple
If a multi op member worked the multi op and only chosen others I feel the
multi op should be DQd
As has been pointed out it is only a case of money before a station is setup
in all 40 zones -
Simple rule - A member of a multi op can only work from that station for the
contest. Members working themselves has to be a case of poor potty training.
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Haavisto
Sent: Thursday, 25 February 2016 5:48 AM
To: w1ve@yccc.org
Cc: Art Boyars; CQ-Contest Reflector
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] May you work yourself at a remote?
The idea is NOT to make operating remote look bad. Quite the opposite.
Operating remote is now a fact of every day life for many people. I just
wanted to "push the upper limit" as it were to see what would happen with
todays rules. If there is not currently a rule in place that covers this
scenario, and we determine one is needed, it would need to cover all aspects
of remote operation. Including the crazy ones I pointed out, as they CAN be
done with todays technology.
Before that discussion can start, we all need to have a clear understanding
of what is even possible.
Just trying to jump start the discussion.
Tom - VE3CX
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Gerry Hull <gerry@yccc.org> wrote:
> But, Tom, you could stay at home and participate as a member of the
> M/M via remote.
>
> Everyone looks at the downside -- there are so many positive sides.
>
> W7RN has a huge station, but his ops live far away. Via remote, they
> can now staff the station.
>
> Are contesters happy that the VY1AAA mult is available much more often
> in contests? I'd say that is a universal YES!
>
> I would have been glad to let a single op do VY1AAA last weekend...
> but no one came forward, and we wanted to put the mult on.
> I don't even care if the score counts -- we just wanted to put the
> multiplier on the air.
>
> During WRTC/IARU RadioSport, we did have six stations in the same room.
> Did we work each other? You bet. Not by passing "in the room", For
> example, I was operating PR1T, and I found a spot for SK3W, and called
> in like anyone else. After the QSO, I did get a visual "thumbs up".
> Nothing nefarious.
>
> Yes, six ops could sit in the same room and operate from all
> continents -- and it would be fine -- but it would not look good,
> especially if each op worked the other on six bands!.
>
> You can think up lots of crazy scenarios to make remote look bad.
> But, today, top contesters are operating remotes with no particular
> advantage (In fact, it can be pretty darn challenging).
>
>
> By using remote, we are not trying to "game" the system... We are
> overcoming barriers to get on the air.
>
> The offer stands to anyone who is a good CW op (our preferred mode),
> and has RemoteRig/Elecraft gear: We need to increase our operator
> team for VY1AAA.. the more we have it on, the better.
> Contact me if you are interested.
>
> VY1AAA will be on for NAQP RTTY this weekend, W1UE operating.
> We will be on for ARRL DX SSB as well.
>
>
> 73, Gerry W1VE
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Art
>>
>> Lets step back a bit, and see what is *technically possible - today*.
>>
>> A person could operate from all 40 zones in the CQWW - in one
>> sitting, by connecting to 40 different stations and operating remote.
>>
>>
>> Six ops - sitting in one room - could operate from six different
>> continents
>> - at the same time. I think we can all see a bunch of red flags with
>> this, but it is *technically* possible.
>>
>> A person could drive to a MM, and operate part of the contest. Drive
>> home, and operate from home, using his own call.
>>
>>
>> The one way to address this would be: a person can only operate with
>> one call/contribute to one station for the duration of the contest.
>>
>> This way, if you are operating remote - you are committed to that
>> operation
>> - for the duration of the contest. New contest comes along - you are
>> free to "move" to a different location.
>>
>> The downside is - drive to a MM, operate a few hours - you can't go
>> home and operate...
>>
>>
>>
>> Just my two cents worth...
>>
>> Tom - VE3CX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think I broached this subject before, but got no significant
response.
>> > Conversation with some of the other op's at a M-M this past
>> > weekend, and seeing W1VE's 3830score post for ARRL DX CW prompts me try
again.
>> >
>> > Let's say I'm in Winnipeg for RAC Canada Day contest -- VE4VTR (me)
>> > and VE4EA and a couple of other VE4 friends use VE4EA's station for
>> > a M-S effort.
>> >
>> > Let's say that VE4EA also realizes his hope of a concurrent remote
>> > operation -- say, part time -- of VY1AAA. We're all in the same room.
>> >
>> > It sure would be easy for VE4VTR to know when/where to find VY1AAA.
>> > But let's keep it honest. 'VTR will go after the YT mult only when
>> > it's spotted, and 'AAA will not self-spot.
>> >
>> > So, 'VTR sees the spot, pounces on it, and calls VY1AAA. The path
>> > is
>> poor,
>> > and copy is difficult, but thanks to ESP (and maybe copying the
>> transformer
>> > hum, like I used to do with my ARC-5) they make the QSO.
>> >
>> > Should that count?
>> >
>> > What if the remote worked only VE4VTR. Is that not allpowed? (I
>> > did
>> not
>> > ask "unethical". This question is about the rules as they now
>> > stand.)
>> >
>> > What if I operate both the local station and the remote station
>> > myself
>> for
>> > the QSO? Should that count?
>> >
>> > 73, Art K3KU
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