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Re: [CQ-Contest] May you work yourself at a remote?

To: Larry <w6nws@arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] May you work yourself at a remote?
From: Charles Harpole <hs0zcw@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 09:06:01 +0700
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I hold a K4 and a HS call sign, and depending on local interpretation of my
permit papers also in 9N, A5, VU, and V2.
Theoretically, I could use remotes in any of those places where allowed and
after all call signs used RF to contact each other, all under my control,
it appears I could get all bands/all modes on those entities...... by me
working me.
True?
Charly

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 5:17 AM, Larry <lknain@nc.rr.com> wrote:

> I vaguely recall something in WW rules about not being an operator at more
> than one station but I am not at a place I can check it. I don't recall
> there was such a rule for other contests but that is just a very hazy
> recollection. It could just be faulty memory on my part.
>
> It does seem to me that it would be a conflict of interest (of sorts) to
> be an operator at multiple stations. Of course, if I only operate for a few
> hours at a multiop station it seems a shame to waste the remainder of the
> contest time. Personally I would probably submit the home log as a checklog.
>
> 73, Larry  W6NWS
>
> On 2/24/2016 1:57 PM, Gerry Hull wrote:
>
>> But, Tom, you could stay at home and participate as a member of the M/M
>> via
>> remote.
>>
>> Everyone looks at the downside -- there are so many positive sides.
>>
>> W7RN has a huge station, but his ops live far away.  Via remote, they can
>> now staff the station.
>>
>> Are contesters happy that the VY1AAA mult is available much more often in
>> contests?  I'd say that is a universal YES!
>>
>> I would have been glad to let a single op do VY1AAA last weekend... but no
>> one came forward, and we wanted to put the mult on.
>> I don't even care if the score counts -- we just wanted to put the
>> multiplier on the air.
>>
>> During WRTC/IARU RadioSport, we did have six stations in the same room.
>> Did we work each other?  You bet.  Not by passing "in the room",
>> For example, I was operating PR1T, and I found a spot for SK3W, and called
>> in like anyone else.  After the QSO, I did get a visual "thumbs up".
>> Nothing nefarious.
>>
>> Yes, six ops could sit in the same room and operate from all continents --
>> and it would be fine -- but it would not look good,
>> especially if each op worked the other on six bands!.
>>
>> You can think up lots of crazy scenarios to make remote look bad.  But,
>> today, top contesters are operating remotes
>> with no particular advantage (In fact, it can be pretty darn challenging).
>>
>> By using remote, we are not trying to "game" the system... We are
>> overcoming barriers to get on the air.
>>
>> The offer stands to anyone who is a good CW op (our preferred mode), and
>> has RemoteRig/Elecraft gear:  We need to increase
>> our operator team for VY1AAA.. the more we have it on, the better.
>> Contact
>> me if you are interested.
>>
>> VY1AAA will be on for NAQP RTTY this weekend, W1UE operating.
>> We will be on for ARRL DX SSB as well.
>>
>>
>> 73, Gerry W1VE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Tom Haavisto <kamham69@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Art
>>>
>>> Lets step back a bit, and see what is *technically possible - today*.
>>>
>>> A person could operate from all 40 zones in the CQWW - in one sitting, by
>>> connecting to 40 different stations and operating remote.
>>>
>>>
>>> Six ops - sitting in one room - could operate from six different
>>> continents
>>> - at the same time.  I think we can all see a bunch of red flags with
>>> this,
>>> but it is *technically* possible.
>>>
>>> A person could drive to a MM, and operate part of the contest.  Drive
>>> home,
>>> and operate from home, using his own call.
>>>
>>>
>>> The one way to address this would be: a person can only operate with one
>>> call/contribute to one station for the duration of the contest.
>>>
>>> This way, if you are operating remote - you are committed to that
>>> operation
>>> - for the duration of the contest.  New contest comes along - you are
>>> free
>>> to "move" to a different location.
>>>
>>> The downside is - drive to a MM, operate a few hours - you can't go home
>>> and operate...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just my two cents worth...
>>>
>>> Tom - VE3CX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I broached this subject before, but got no significant response.
>>>> Conversation with some of the other op's at a M-M this past weekend, and
>>>> seeing W1VE's 3830score post for ARRL DX CW prompts me try again.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say I'm in Winnipeg for RAC Canada Day contest -- VE4VTR (me) and
>>>> VE4EA and a couple of other VE4 friends use VE4EA's station for a M-S
>>>> effort.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say that VE4EA also realizes his hope of a concurrent remote
>>>> operation -- say, part time -- of VY1AAA.  We're all in the same room.
>>>>
>>>> It sure would be easy for VE4VTR to know when/where to find VY1AAA. But
>>>> let's keep it honest.  'VTR will go after the YT mult only when it's
>>>> spotted, and 'AAA will not self-spot.
>>>>
>>>> So, 'VTR sees the spot, pounces on it, and calls VY1AAA.  The path is
>>>>
>>> poor,
>>>
>>>> and copy is difficult, but thanks to ESP (and maybe copying the
>>>>
>>> transformer
>>>
>>>> hum, like I used to do with my ARC-5) they make the QSO.
>>>>
>>>> Should that count?
>>>>
>>>> What if the remote worked only VE4VTR.  Is that not allpowed?  (I did
>>>> not
>>>> ask "unethical".  This question is about the rules as they now stand.)
>>>>
>>>> What if I operate both the local station and the remote station myself
>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>> the QSO?  Should that count?
>>>>
>>>> 73, Art K3KU
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