Well, I agree with Paul that we're going around in circles here.
IMHO, if you connect to an external source to get ANY information during the
contest, information which is directly or indirectly derived from other
operators, and is ANY information which you can use to adjust your operating
methodology... and IMHO knowing the real-time scores of others is definitely
within that scope... you are in an Assisted category.
It's not rocket science to see that.
I'm truly sorry we disagree on that point.
If you want an "exception" in a contest's rules to permit the Scoreboard, and
only the Scoreboard (or equivalent), without the band information -- an
exception I would probably disagree with, but that's not the point -- then
propose it, and if it passes muster, put it in the rules. Let's at least do
that the right way, not try to sneak in a back door or try to find some minor
technicality that can be misinterpreted to "permit" this (when it really
doesn't).
But don't spill water on my slacks and then tell me it's raining.
-- w3wn --
On 04/05/16, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
Sorry, Ron, but I totally
disagree. If it doesn't *assist* someone to watch a scoreboard
without band breakdown information (and it doesn't), then it is not
*assistance*.
73, Pete N4ZR
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On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis
Delgadillo wrote:
Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel
Ron
A couple of questions:
Have you tried
yourself the live scoreboard.
The Best way to
finding out, is perhaps, if you try the scoreboard and then
have an informed opinion - to
discern facts from gut feelings?
-------- Mensaje original --------
Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
De: Ron Notarius W3WN
Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest'
CC:
But here's the thing Pete.
When you receive that information. how did you get it?
Where did it come
from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your
score" and what
other information is to be posted for use by other
operators.
So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other
operators who are posting
that information. How is that not assisted?
Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or
similar exchanges of
information. I'm not saying that the software that
provides the capability
should be disabled.
Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and
using it doesn't put
you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category.
It is. (Or to put
it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks
and then tell me it's
raining.)
Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I
don't. The reasons why
vary depending on the event in question and how I am
choosing to approach
it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I
just don't pretend
one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between
them be blurred.
Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that
simple.
73, ron w3wn
_____
From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr@contesting.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net and users of
MM+, this isn't
true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can
decide (in MM+)
whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without
band information,
access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should
not be considered
assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily
disable the band
breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole
issue would go
away.
73, Pete N4ZR
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.
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On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting
information. Therefore,
information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance
for the purposes of most
contests that recognize this category.
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