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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 07:10:25 -0500 (CDT)
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 Well, I agree with Paul that we're going around in circles here.


IMHO, if you connect to an external source to get ANY information during the 
contest, information which is directly or indirectly derived from other 
operators, and is ANY information which you can use to adjust your operating 
methodology... and IMHO knowing the real-time scores of others is definitely 
within that scope... you are in an Assisted category.


It's not rocket science to see that.


I'm truly sorry we disagree on that point.


If you want an "exception" in a contest's rules to permit the Scoreboard, and 
only the Scoreboard (or equivalent), without the band information -- an 
exception I would probably disagree with, but that's not the point -- then 
propose it, and if it passes muster, put it in the rules.  Let's at least do 
that the right way, not try to sneak in a back door or try to find some minor 
technicality that can be misinterpreted to "permit" this (when it really 
doesn't).


But don't spill water on my slacks and then tell me it's raining.


-- w3wn --

On 04/05/16, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:

 
 
 
 
 
 Sorry, Ron, but I totally 
 disagree. If it doesn't *assist* someone to watch a scoreboard 
 without band breakdown information (and it doesn't), then it is not 
*assistance*. 
 
 
 73, Pete N4ZR
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On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis 
 Delgadillo wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel 
 
Ron 
 
A couple of questions: 
 

 
 
 
Have you tried 
 yourself the live scoreboard. 
 

 
 
 
The Best way to 
 finding out, is perhaps, if you try the scoreboard and then 
 have an informed opinion - to 
 discern facts from gut feelings? 
 

 
 -------- Mensaje original --------
 
 Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
 
 De: Ron Notarius W3WN 
 
 Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest' 
 
 
 CC: 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 But here's the thing Pete.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 When you receive that information. how did you get it? 
 Where did it come
 
 from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your 
 score" and what
 
 other information is to be posted for use by other 
 operators.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other 
 operators who are posting
 
 that information. How is that not assisted?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or 
 similar exchanges of
 
 information. I'm not saying that the software that 
 provides the capability
 
 should be disabled. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and 
 using it doesn't put
 
 you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category. 
 It is. (Or to put
 
 it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks 
 and then tell me it's
 
 raining.)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I 
 don't. The reasons why
 
 vary depending on the event in question and how I am 
 choosing to approach
 
 it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I 
 just don't pretend
 
 one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between 
 them be blurred.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that 
 simple.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 73, ron w3wn
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 _____ 
 
 
 
 From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr@contesting.com] 
 
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
 
 To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
 
 Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net and users of 
 MM+, this isn't
 
 true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can 
 decide (in MM+)
 
 whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without 
 band information,
 
 access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should 
 not be considered
 
 assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily 
 disable the band
 
 breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole 
 issue would go
 
 away.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 73, Pete N4ZR
 
 Download the new N1MM Logger+ at 
 
 . 
 Check 
 
 out the Reverse Beacon Network at 
 
 , now 
 
 spotting RTTY activity worldwide. 
 
 For spots, please use your favorite 
 
 "retail" DX cluster.
 
 
 
 On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
 
 
 
 ...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting 
 information. Therefore,
 
 information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance 
 for the purposes of most
 
 contests that recognize this category.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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